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View Poll Results: Greater political party problem
Entirely the Democrats fault 4 8.89%
Entirely the Republicans fault 13 28.89%
Both, slightly more Democrats fault 3 6.67%
Both, slightly more the Republicans fault 10 22.22%
Both parties fault virtually equally 15 33.33%
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post #101 of 155 (permalink) Old 05-26-2012, 01:48 PM
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is their military really all that tho ?
When they spend more on theirs than the next 10 or so nations combined, it had better be. That's their main claim. On stuff that actually matters, they're kind of fucked eight ways from Sunday. But that whole "American Exceptionalism" thing (which I just call "American Arrogance" because that's all it is) forbids people from ever pointing out America's problems without being called anti-American or un-patriotic.

That's why I like Britain. Here people just fucking expect you to bitch and whine about everything that's wrong with the country.
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Depends on how you measure that. In terms of military power, America is the best. In terms of most other things, you're not as fantastic as you think you are.
Military power? How so?

In terms of inventing just about everything useful in the world. Phone, automobile, airplane, air conditioning, tractors... pretty much just about everything was invented by Americans and the system that creates the most of these things Democracy was created by Americans.

I personally think the majority of us Americans are overbearing and arrogant but it doesn't replace the facts. The United States has contributed more to this planet then most other countries in terms of ingenuity, progress and knowledge. The problem is the modern version still takes credit while contributing basically nothing. The modern America has gone the way of arrogant "Christian Military" nonsense.

The real America had its midlife crisis in 1963 and died in 2001. Unfortunately though no one has replaced it either. So all the trash talking is pretty ironic.
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Military power? How so?

In terms of inventing just about everything useful in the world. Phone, automobile, airplane, air conditioning, tractors... pretty much just about everything was invented by Americans and the system that creates the most of these things Democracy was created by Americans.
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Military power? How so?
Simple: America has the biggest and most powerful military in the world. So they win that contest; in that regard they are better than any other nation.

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In terms of inventing just about everything useful in the world. Phone, automobile, airplane, air conditioning, tractors... pretty much just about everything was invented by Americans and the system that creates the most of these things Democracy was created by Americans.
I'll concede the list of things Americans invented (though measuring an entire nation by what some of its smart people came up with seems odd...

Though I will take issue with saying America invented Democracy. Just... no. Democracy as we know it? Kind of. But saying they invented Democracy itself is like crediting Sony with inventing video recording because they came up with Blu Ray.

Even on the basics, a lot of the American Democracy originated from influence by the Native Americans. Seriously.
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Pffft.

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The US has 2.3 doctors per 1000 people and Canada has 2.1 doctors per 1000 people.
US life expectancy is 78 while Canada's is 81.
US quality ranking of all inclusive health care is #37 Canada's is #30.
Less than 1% of Canadians go to the United States for healthcare.

Fact one means the system is not overburdened at all. It is about equal to the US system.
Fact two means they are pretty much the same in their result.
Fact three means Canada has better quality in general by a slight margin and neither country is the best in the world.
Fact four means that a small percentage of Canada's population goes to the US for healthcare at all.

Okay so now that I have proved your theory(media) completely wrong. Here is why what I said is not made up.

The 1% of Canadians that are going to the United States to seek healthcare are looking for more prominent and quality surgeons.

They are not escaping a bureaucratic system in seek of a quicker root through the system(the US is more bureaucratic than them). They are not travelling thousands of miles to save time from the system(the travelling would cancel out the wait). The quality is really about the same for general healthcare, so they aren't leaving for general healthcare. They essentially have free healthcare because they have about an equal amount in taxes as the US therefore they are paying the cost of travel and more for the procedures that they are coming to the US for. No one is going to waste time travelling for small procedures or chronic illnesses. Therefore, these trips are only worth the cost if they are cut and dry expensive procedures that are better quality.

So the only logical conclusion(unless Canadians are just complete morons) is the 1% are coming for surgical procedures that they feel are better quality than Canada's. Why on earth would you choose to travel, pay more or leave home when suffering from a condition? To escape one bureaucracy for a worse one? To travel with a condition to SAVE TIME? To pay substantially more money to save some time? No its because they either think its better quality or it is.

OH and I forgot. Canadians do not pay for their health care in taxes in comparison. That is as big a myth as the overburdened system. I mean sure literally it comes out of your taxes. But Canadians and the US have about the same amount of taxes per citizen. So if Canadians are almost even in their tax burdens and the US pays for its own private healthcare that means you are getting a break so it is in fact free to you. Plus as far as I know US citizens taxes have historically done more for the world then Canada. I mean NASA has done just about everything with US tax dollars.
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Military power? How so?

In terms of inventing just about everything useful in the world. Phone, automobile, airplane, air conditioning, tractors... pretty much just about everything was invented by Americans and the system that creates the most of these things Democracy was created by Americans.

I personally think the majority of us Americans are overbearing and arrogant but it doesn't replace the facts. The United States has contributed more to this planet then most other countries in terms of ingenuity, progress and knowledge. The problem is the modern version still takes credit while contributing basically nothing. The modern America has gone the way of arrogant "Christian Military" nonsense.

The real America had its midlife crisis in 1963 and died in 2001. Unfortunately though no one has replaced it either. So all the trash talking is pretty ironic.
I was going to respond to the first post until I read the second. Claiming that America created democracy negates everything you say from this point on in my eyes.


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yeah cos he's a fucking moron

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