Originally Posted by Panther

You want to talk about increasing the national debt ceiling? It wasn't even a big deal until Obama got in office and Obama's only raised it 3 TIMES! Bush on the other hand, in his 8 years in office, raised it well over 100 TIMES! There is a double standard here. The economy has actually improved a bit under Obama but the Republicans are doing everything in their power to stop the progress so they can say that it was Obama's fault. They're willing for millions of American to lose their jobs just so they can put one man out of a job.

Originally Posted by whitty982000

Isn't Ron Paul like 80?! He probably should have run for office back in the 1980's or something...

Originally Posted by AlecPure

first i want to touch on the vamp1ro picture. That was taken during the the Russian invasion, and they were trying to keep their country free. No ones country should be occupied by another. In a sense they were the equivalent of the founding fathers. No one said they had the same beliefs or the same message.

Your third line comment. Social Programs do cost more than wars. This isn't a big war like WW2 and I can show you links, which will be at the bottom of this reply from Financial Researchers, to prove it. Also the FBI and CIA are not considered war expenses and get paid regardless. The tax payers pay for the Armed Forces, guys and gals. You don't seem to account for how much taxes actually pay for.

You also want to mention the GI bill. Most people in the military have the option to use it, but not all do. Some save it for family members, others use it to pay off their past college loan debts. Only 1 person in your household can receive benefits from the GI Bill.

Finally to finish this part off, Obama cut NASA funding when he was elected, i have links on that as well. Also when Obama was elected, he said something along the lines of he wanted to or did cut the size of the US nuke supply by 80%..

Your sixth line.. People should vote for whoever they want. But they should be opened up to all the facts about that person, be he republican or democrat. If Obama was born outside of the United States, he can still become president, due to the fact his mother was a citizen. Its just the fact that they can't seem to produce a valid document with a government seal from Hawaii on it.

Now you mention that 4th amendment violating Patriot Act. It was supported by a majority of both parties, its just done to take away from the freedom of the American people. Did you know that Obama fully supports the Patriot Act and resigned it when he took office and has said he would resign it again.

Originally Posted by AlecPure

Obama has raised it 4 times and Bush raised it 7 times

Originally Posted by SPCDRI

What? No, if it follows the Constitution it is constitutional, unless you think people like Scalia and Kagan are perfectly wise and infallible God-creatures.

You have a stereotypical idea of Republicans from Reagan onwards, the Moral, Militant majority. Here is a picture of a Republican...

Originally Posted by vamp1ro

The "Russian Invasion" you're referring to was Muslim Afghan rebels attempting to take over their own country by warring with the Soviet-backed Afghans already in power. This has no relevance to what is actually stated by Ronald Reagan during the visit at the White House. Reagan stated that these men were "the moral equivalent of our Founding Fathers." That statement is utterly untrue. The men in the picture were Muslim rebels attempting to take over the government of Afghanistan by force. The only reason the U.S. backed them was because the current government in Afghanistan was backed by the USSR, the U.S.'s enemy at the time. The old saying "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" rings true in this situation.

Originally Posted by vamp1ro

Originally Posted by 8 Pound Gecko

In hindsight, giving automatic weaponry to batshit insane religious sect just to troll your competition may or may not backfire. My question is, who would've thunk it?