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Old 05-23-2012, 09:04 AM   #121 (permalink)
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Liberals have Occupy. 10x worse than the Tea Party in terms of being dangerous.
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Yet that agency asked the writers to provide their own biography. All that the pamphlet shows is that Obama is a liar.
But the government issued birth certificate proves that he is a US citizen which means that you're still wrong.
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Old 05-23-2012, 09:15 AM   #122 (permalink)
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Old 05-23-2012, 09:21 AM   #123 (permalink)
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You know what else was a violation of the Constitution? Obamacare. Any comment on that, or only on Republican issues?
Okay, I'll bite. Please explain how "Obamacare" (or "Romneycare," for that matter), is unconstitutional.
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When the State Department granted the head of Cuba’s National Center for Sex Education, Mariela Castro Espín, a visa to chair a panel on LGBT issues at the Latin American Studies Association in San Francisco later this week, the Republican response was as obvious as the Cuban LGBT activist’s relations to the Caribbean island’s Communist dictators. Her father is Cuban President Raúl Castro, her uncle is revolutionary leader and longtime dictator Fidel Castro, and the Republicans were “appalled.”
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“The State Department needs to wake up from its delusional love fest with the dictators in Havana,” said right-wing House Foreign Affairs chair Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen (R-FL). Republican Members of Congress released web videos and organized conference calls denouncing the visa as “outrageous.”

Even presumptive GOP presidential candidate Mitt Romney got in on the action, releasing a statement accusing the Obama administration of “a slap in the face to all those brave individuals in Cuba who are enduring relentless persecution.”
The Bush administration granted Castro not one but three visas to enter the U.S. in 2001 and 2002.

This year, the State Department accepted 60 visas, denied 11, and is still processing 6.

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Last year, the newly installed House Republican majority rushed to pass bills (stopped by the Democratic-led Senate) to eliminate funding for Planned Parenthood and Title X. That federal program provides millions of women with birth control, lifesaving screening for breast and cervical cancer, and other preventive care.
Governor Brewer (R-AZ) also recently signed a bill eliminating public funding for Planned Parenthood. The new bill denies the organization public money for nonabortion services, like cancer screening and family planning, often the only services of that kind available to poor women.

Its a good thing these people don't have free healthcare, otherwise they'd have some sort of access to cancer screenings.
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Okay, I'll bite. Please explain how "Obamacare" (or "Romneycare," for that matter), is unconstitutional.
The Constitutionality of Obamacare is due to the requirement of every citizen having to purchse healthcare from the government. In its proposed form, Obama's healthcare act stated that every citizen would have to purchase healthcare from the government or face legal penalties, including jail time. The government cannot force any one citizen to buy anything from the government (but yet they can tax us to death? another rant all together).
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The Constitutionality of Obamacare is due to the requirement of every citizen having to purchse healthcare from the government. In its proposed form, Obama's healthcare act stated that every citizen would have to purchase healthcare from the government or face legal penalties, including jail time. The government cannot force any one citizen to buy anything from the government (but yet they can tax us to death? another rant all together).
I believe the penalty for not doing so is only a small fine, haven't heard anything about jail time. As well, it can be waived in cases of financial hardship, no? Healthy people make more money and put more money back into taxes than unhealthy people, so if you look at the penalty as being a government incentive to have health insurance it makes more sense than looking at it as a punishment to me, even though it IS a punishment. Come to think of it, why didn't they make it an extra tax burden instead of defining it as a penalty?

I guess the idea of the government forcing you to buy something is stupid and I can understand how people would be against it. If we want to maintain private insurance and private healthcare so desperately, why not just offer a tax-funded government insurance voucher healthcare system or something?
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And as for the relating of Occupy protestors to the 5 Anarchists in Cleveland that were alledgedly planning to blow up a bridge: They were Anarchists before the Occupy Movement even started. This is similar to white supremecists and gang members sending their members in to the US Army/Marines for free training for their "cause." The US Army/Marines aren't racists or criminals because these people join them, these people are simply taking advantage of the groups open to the public.
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I believe the penalty for not doing so is only a small fine, haven't heard anything about jail time. As well, it can be waived in cases of financial hardship, no? Healthy people make more money and put more money back into taxes than unhealthy people, so if you look at the penalty as being a government incentive to have health insurance it makes more sense than looking at it as a punishment to me, even though it IS a punishment. Come to think of it, why didn't they make it an extra tax burden instead of defining it as a penalty?

I guess the idea of the government forcing you to buy something is stupid and I can understand how people would be against it. If we want to maintain private insurance and private healthcare so desperately, why not just offer a tax-funded government insurance voucher healthcare system or something?
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SEC. 5000A. REQUIREMENT TO MAINTAIN MINIMUM ESSENTIAL COVERAGE.
(a) REQUIREMENT TO MAINTAIN MINIMUM ESSENTIAL COVERAGE.—
An applicable individual shall for each month beginning after 2013 ensure that the individual, and any dependent of the individual who is an applicable individual, is covered under minimum essential coverage for such month.
(b) SHARED RESPONSIBILITY PAYMENT.—
(1) IN GENERAL.—If an applicable individual fails to meet the requirement of subsection (a) for 1 or more months during any calendar year beginning after 2013, then, except as provided in subsection (d), there is hereby imposed a penalty with respect to the individual in the amount determined under subsection (c).
(2) INCLUSION WITH RETURN.—Any penalty imposed by this section with respect to any month shall be included with a taxpayer’s return under chapter 1 for the taxable year which includes such month.
(3) PAYMENT OF PENALTY.—If an individual with respect to whom a penalty is imposed by this section for any month—
(A) is a dependent (as defined in section 152) of another taxpayer for the other taxpayer’s taxable year including such month, such other taxpayer shall be liable for such penalty, or
(B) files a joint return for the taxable year including such month, such individual and the spouse of such individual shall be jointly liable for such penalty.
(c) AMOUNT OF PENALTY.—
(1) IN GENERAL.—The penalty determined under this subsection for any month with respect to any individual is an amount equal to 1⁄12 of the applicable dollar amount for the calendar year.
(2) DOLLAR LIMITATION.—The amount of the penalty imposed by this section on any taxpayer for any taxable year with respect to all individuals for whom the taxpayer is liable under subsection (b)(3) shall not exceed an amount equal to 300 percent the applicable dollar amount (determined without regard to paragraph (3)(C)) for the calendar year with or within which the taxable year ends.
(3) APPLICABLE DOLLAR AMOUNT.—For purposes of paragraph (1)—
(A) IN GENERAL.—Except as provided in subparagraphs (B) and (C), the applicable dollar amount is $750.
(B) PHASE IN.—The applicable dollar amount is $95 for 2014 and $350 for 2015.
Source: http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/PLAW-11...111publ148.pdf

As anyone can tell you, if you fail to pay your penalties on your tax return to the IRS you will receive jail time.

The idea of the government forcing you to buy something is not only stupid, it is illegal and unconstitutional. We do have a tax funded government healthcare system - medicare/medicaid.

The main issue with private healthcare is the fact that citizens are not legally allowed to purchase insurance from interstate companies. This in turn voids any competition between companies (see: car insurance, cable companies), driving up the price. If the laws were amended to allow the people to compare and shop around interstate companies, competition would be higher, thus driving down the price and making private healthcare more affordable, and defeating the purpose for any government intervention. Instead, we were pushed into Obamacare, which I do not support, which is just as bad.
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The Constitutionality of Obamacare is due to the requirement of every citizen having to purchse healthcare from the government. In its proposed form, Obama's healthcare act stated that every citizen would have to purchase healthcare from the government or face legal penalties, including jail time. The government cannot force any one citizen to buy anything from the government (but yet they can tax us to death? another rant all together).
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I believe the penalty for not doing so is only a small fine, haven't heard anything about jail time. As well, it can be waived in cases of financial hardship, no? Healthy people make more money and put more money back into taxes than unhealthy people, so if you look at the penalty as being a government incentive to have health insurance it makes more sense than looking at it as a punishment to me, even though it IS a punishment. Come to think of it, why didn't they make it an extra tax burden instead of defining it as a penalty?

I guess the idea of the government forcing you to buy something is stupid and I can understand how people would be against it. If we want to maintain private insurance and private healthcare so desperately, why not just offer a tax-funded government insurance voucher healthcare system or something?
Not about to argue the positives/negatives of government run healthcare. I will say that here in Canada we pay for universal healthcare through our taxes. It's simply another responsibility of the province alongside education or any other government program/agency. Universal only insures the most basic and fundamental health care services to the entirety of the population which they actually pay for through taxation, while most services/procedures are separate and very expensive. Health insurance/benefits is practically a must.
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Old 05-23-2012, 01:13 PM   #130 (permalink)
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Not about to argue the positives/negatives of government run healthcare. I will say that here in Canada we pay for universal healthcare through our taxes. It's simply another responsibility of the province alongside education or any other government program/agency.
Same here, with the difference being that the universal covers pretty much everything. It's cheap, efficient and the most importantly HUMANE. No one dies because they can't pay for a fuckin medicine or gets their foot amputated for the same reason. If you got extra money or want a more exclusive treatment, by all means, go to a private clinic. However, you will still pay for the national healthcare through your taxes just like everyone else. There are very good reasons for the existence of the NHC, as evidenced by pretty much EVERY DEVELOPED COUNTRY IN THE WORLD except the USA.

Americans need to understand one thing. YOUR RIGHT TO KEEP YOUR PROFIT DOESN'T OUTWEIGH SOMEONE'S RIGHT TO LIVE. I think that's the main problem with you people. Your mentality sucks.

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