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Old 01-18-2012, 06:21 AM   #81 (permalink)
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I don't believe Paul's plan for smaller government is practical. There are several obstacles that he faces for that to be even taken into consideration (for one, the extremely partisan House and Senate). I also don't agree with his stance on abortion or his plan to back up currency with the gold standard.
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Old 01-18-2012, 07:08 AM   #82 (permalink)
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One thing the world doesn't realize that with a Ron Paul presidency the U.S. would be very rarely involved in world affairs, and especially in humanitarian issues it would not be involved at all. The aid we've provided to Darfur and the money pumped into AIDS research in Africa? That would not happen, no money forthcoming. The aid we sent several years ago to aid the victims of the Indonesian tsunami? Not a penny coming. Basically, you'd see an America that wouldn't lift one finger to help where people were truly in need of it.

As for the so-called War On Terror... it's the war on Radical Islam which is a threat to the rest of the world. Al-Qaeda and radical Islam declared war on us years ago, when they slammed two planes into the WTC. Bin Laden helped the mujahadeen during the Soviet war in Afghanistan, then got pissed when the kingdom of Saudi Arabia allowed American troops on Saudi soil to defend from a possible Iraqi invasion. There is no oil and drugs involved in this, or we would be seeing a huge influx of this and drops in prices for oil.

Iran is a threat, they would sell nukes to terrorist organizations who would use them on us. We are called the Great Satan and the current Iranian president believes himself to be the leader of a movement to wipe out Israel and challenge America.
America is killing far more people than it's saving with the wars actually so that alone is a moot point. Even if America doesn't help those countries there are European countries that might. Besides there is a bigger picture to what Ron is trying to do.

Radical Islam actually was never a threat before media made it so. It's only a threat because certain powers that be wants it to be.

We do have oil in there don't we? Countries don't wage wars out of the blue. Why the hell aren't we waging wars on North Korea? Aren't they a threat? Do you think for yourself or let the mainstream media do the thinking for you?

Think about it. Where people even talking about terrorist before 9/11? No? Because they where never a threat to begin with. The war is nothing more but geopolitical land grab. it's the resources they are after and nothing more.

Besides positioning themselves near China and Russia seems to be like a good idea.

Besides do you seriously think that Iran is a threat while countries Like U.S, Russia and China actually have nukes also? Not to mention so many more Nukes. I would believe Arabic countries would never even consider attacking any of these above mentioned.

That's asinine.

It's talk. Iran will never challenge America. All this will do will lead to another massive bloodbath that will kill millions but I guess since we are already tribalistic enough it's ok to hate those terrorist.

This is what we call prejudice, injustice and inhumanity. The one you where defending so brightly in your own text.

And let's not even talk about how damaging the wars are for economy. Instead of actually sending this money to build up things the wars are only sucking people dry and only furthering conflicts. When has the wars achieved anything really?

How many people have died? How many more need to die for people to get it? How many more tyrants does humanity need to endure to actually finally get it that you to people who look down on you are nothing. To them life is meaningless.

If you think it's ok to lust for war in the name of anything than you my friend I believe are brainwashed (would be nothing new here).

If you want to know what wars have done please go and read a history book. Read one of them with full details on horrors one man can inflict on another.

Now ask yourself if you would go to war if your government didn't make an enemy for you? War on terror does not exist. If people claim that they are so smart why don't they stand up for what is right?
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Isn't Obama the same guy who signed NDAA into law, pushed for cash for clunkers, cash for home buying, cash for buying energy saving appliances, invested half a billon in Solyndra, pushed for second bail out, got U.S involved with Libya and Uganda? That guy? I think I'm sticking with Dr. Ron Paul.
So you're sticking with the creationist who wants to limit the rights of people.
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Old 01-18-2012, 08:01 AM   #84 (permalink)
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So you're sticking with the creationist who wants to limit the rights of people.
You're funny.
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Old 01-18-2012, 10:26 AM   #85 (permalink)
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There is nothing wrong with people believing in God and everything wrong with certain individuals manipulating peoples beliefs.

Just like government is manipulating people. It's the same thing. This is why common sense is so crucial to counter the extremism of any sort.
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There is nothing wrong with people believing in God and everything wrong with certain individuals manipulating peoples beliefs.

Just like government is manipulating people. It's the same thing. This is why common sense is so crucial to counter the extremism of any sort.
Has nothing to do with believing God. If the president of the country doesn't accept a fact because he thinks his personal view is correct and the fact is wrong then he is most definately not the type of person you want making important decisions.
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Old 01-19-2012, 04:48 AM   #87 (permalink)
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Has nothing to do with believing God. If the president of the country doesn't accept a fact because he thinks his personal view is correct and the fact is wrong then he is most definately not the type of person you want making important decisions.
Do you have any idea how so called "facts" are manipulated each day to serve certain agendas?

If ordinary people would know even half of things that's going on behind the curtain they might realize how corrupted the individuals really are.

I really don't think Ron Paul is one of them.
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Do you have any idea how so called "facts" are manipulated each day to serve certain agendas?

If ordinary people would know even half of things that's going on behind the curtain they might realize how corrupted the individuals really are.

I really don't think Ron Paul is one of them.
Please don't pull the conspiracy theory style arguement in an attempt to overlook something obvious; you're just creating a big hypothetical scenario in which 'No one can know' because greater powers control, it's lazy and rather stupid.

But anyway, evolution isn't a manipulated fact and Ron Paul rejects that. Science means less to him than personal views on matters that deal with science. That is not a good thing.
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I'm in the ABR camp (anybody but Romney). The guy has said more and done more stupid shit than Perry, yet Perry had to drop out.

BRB strapping my dog to the top of my car, and going on vacation not knowing it was against the law. Then defending yourself for being so ruhhhtarded.

Romney is a full retard, and even a religious nut like Santorum would be a better candidate.

I hate Obama, and even I would vote for Obama over that idiot.
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Old 01-21-2012, 01:20 AM   #90 (permalink)
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Is it me or do Perry and Romney look like the exact same person from 10 ft. away? I'm calling it now that Obama will stay. The bigger election is the mid-terms.
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