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Old 08-06-2011, 10:29 AM   #71 (permalink)
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Alter Bridge is solid, Motorhead is solid, Living Colour... EH WHATEVER KID.
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Old 08-06-2011, 11:19 AM   #72 (permalink)
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They are far more talented without a shadow of a doubt.
You obviously aren't enough into music to realise this though which is fair enough.
You said that its what Motorhead stands for thats more important, thats fair enough.
But then you went in another thread and made fun of a band for having no musical talent.
Sorry but, Alter Bridge musical talent >>>>>>>> Motorhead musical talent.

Maybe Motorhead have more of a legacy and fanbase and so on.
I respect them alot.
Man, I'm starting to respect your balls. Do we get to continue our discussion now?

I happen to be VERY into music. A lot of different kinds, so when it comes to picking and choosing what to listen to, I have to try for the very best. Motorhead are in that category.
Their songs are much more complicated to play than an initial surface listening would indicate as Lemmy continually switches his patterns and rhythms.
Then there is the matter of a sound which has never been duplicated in the subsequent 36 years of Rock n Roll.

Alter Bridge, while technically sound, clean, heavy and certainly talented, will never be able to capture that same feel. Though it may be a great listen, it will always sound to me like something I've heard before. Yeah, I know, it's all been done and I suppose they're at least trying. All credit there.

When it's all said and done Motorhead will live in infamy while Alter Bridge slips into obscurity. I feel pretty secure saying that.

As for saying Oasis suck. Well, the point of the thread was 'band you FEEL are over-rated' so I said what I feel in a little rant. I don't expect anyone to agree with me on that one, it's my personal hang up and millions of Oasis fans would disagree with me. I can live with that.

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Old 08-06-2011, 11:21 AM   #73 (permalink)
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Old 08-06-2011, 11:33 AM   #74 (permalink)
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Man, I'm starting to respect your balls. Do we get to continue our discussion now?

I happen to be VERY into music. A lot of different kinds, so when it comes to picking and choosing what to listen to, I have to try for the very best. Motorhead are in that category.
Their songs are much more complicated to play than an initial surface listening would indicate as Lemmy continually switches his patterns and rhythms.
Then there is the matter of a sound which has never been duplicated in the subsequent 36 years of Rock n Roll.

Alter Bridge, while technically sound, clean, heavy and certainly talented, will never be able to capture that same feel. Though it may be a great listen, it will always sound to me like something I've heard before. Yeah, I know, it's all been done and I suppose they're at least trying. All credit there.

When it's all said and done Motorhead will live in infamy while Alter Bridge slips into obscurity. I feel pretty secure saying that.

As for saying Oasis suck. Well, the point of the thread was 'band you FEEL are over-rated' so I said what I feel in a little rant. I don't expect anyone to agree with me on that one, it's my personal hang up and millions of Oasis fans would disagree with me. I can live with that.

Cheers!
First of all I fucking hate Oasis, and think they have zero talent, and write the dullest fucking songs on the planet, i just felt it was the perfect opportunity to take that dig seens as we were talking about musical talent

Secondly I shall say i apologise for getting you wrong. I presumed you were one of these fucktards that only listens to Motorhead and ACDC and refuses to accept anything else as music. Those people really annoy me, because its the ultimate display of ignorance.

And now onto topic :

I'm still not buying that Motorhead songs are overly complicated to play, but i dunno maybe there will be something out there, since i'm kinda at the stage guitar wise where i can pretty much play anything i want to learn with enough effort, then it just doesn't seem that complicated.

But as i have said before, I do like Motorhead, i've seen them live and they were incredible, but it is as you say that they carry more of a legacy and it is true that they are an influence for many bands.

Strictly from a talent point of view, i believe that Alter Bridge have more musical talent in their bodies. From a songwriting perspective, it then comes down to personal opinion at the end of the day and hence how arguments begin.

I just can't stand the people that say Alter Bridge are a generic rock band because they are anything but.

Mark Tremonti writes some obscure, properly technical riffs as well as his solos being very creative. Strange variety of tunings used throughout to create new sounds. I just really like the direction they go in, and its not to everyone's taste, i just hate when people say they are generic.

Motorhead are more of an in your face rock and roll band.
Where Alter Bridge have more depth and detail to their music, and while i still do have all that respect for Motorhead, because i have studied music for a long time now I just seem to have moved onto things that I prefer.
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Old 08-06-2011, 01:32 PM   #75 (permalink)
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First of all I fucking hate Oasis, and think they have zero talent, and write the dullest fucking songs on the planet, i just felt it was the perfect opportunity to take that dig seens as we were talking about musical talent

Secondly I shall say i apologise for getting you wrong. I presumed you were one of these fucktards that only listens to Motorhead and ACDC and refuses to accept anything else as music. Those people really annoy me, because its the ultimate display of ignorance.

And now onto topic :

I'm still not buying that Motorhead songs are overly complicated to play, but i dunno maybe there will be something out there, since i'm kinda at the stage guitar wise where i can pretty much play anything i want to learn with enough effort, then it just doesn't seem that complicated.

But as i have said before, I do like Motorhead, i've seen them live and they were incredible, but it is as you say that they carry more of a legacy and it is true that they are an influence for many bands.

Strictly from a talent point of view, i believe that Alter Bridge have more musical talent in their bodies. From a songwriting perspective, it then comes down to personal opinion at the end of the day and hence how arguments begin.

I just can't stand the people that say Alter Bridge are a generic rock band because they are anything but.

Mark Tremonti writes some obscure, properly technical riffs as well as his solos being very creative. Strange variety of tunings used throughout to create new sounds. I just really like the direction they go in, and its not to everyone's taste, i just hate when people say they are generic.

Motorhead are more of an in your face rock and roll band.
Where Alter Bridge have more depth and detail to their music, and while i still do have all that respect for Motorhead, because i have studied music for a long time now I just seem to have moved onto things that I prefer.
Well put. At the end of the day, it's all gonna come down to your own personal preference.

Motorhead songs aren't 'overly complicated', just more difficult than they sound. What sounds like a simple rhythm or gallop is constantly changing, as Lemmy hits it a little different each time. Whether by accident or design it makes learning the tunes more of an organic feeling out process.

Unfortunately I do tend to clump Alter Bridge into the generic hard rock/metal category. In that, within the vast lexicon of styles, theirs is one that does little to distinguish itself from the pack. Metal/Rock is littered with bands/artist who were technically proficient yet unable to find that 'it' factor.

Example: Steve Vai, is more skilled technically than anyone in Motorhead, yet I'd most likely choose Lemmy and crew over Vai every time if given a choice of the two. More proficient does not necessarily equate to being 'better' music.

Kudos, you've finally got some meat to your argument. I look forward to further discussion, but I gotta run.
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Old 08-06-2011, 01:38 PM   #76 (permalink)
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Well put. At the end of the day, it's all gonna come down to your own personal preference.

Motorhead songs aren't 'overly complicated', just more difficult than they sound. What sounds like a simple rhythm or gallop is constantly changing, as Lemmy hits it a little different each time. Whether by accident or design it makes learning the tunes more of an organic feeling out process.

Unfortunately I do tend to clump Alter Bridge into the generic hard rock/metal category. In that, within the vast lexicon of styles, theirs is one that does little to distinguish itself from the pack. Metal/Rock is littered with bands/artist who were technically proficient yet unable to find that 'it' factor.

Example: Steve Vai, is more skilled technically than anyone in Motorhead, yet I'd most likely choose Lemmy and crew over Vai every time if given a choice of the two. More proficient does not necessarily equate to being 'better' music.

Kudos, you've finally got some meat to your argument. I look forward to further discussion, but I gotta run.
Cheers.
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Man, I'm starting to respect your balls. Do we get to continue our discussion now?

I happen to be VERY into music. A lot of different kinds, so when it comes to picking and choosing what to listen to, I have to try for the very best. Motorhead are in that category.
Their songs are much more complicated to play than an initial surface listening would indicate as Lemmy continually switches his patterns and rhythms.
Then there is the matter of a sound which has never been duplicated in the subsequent 36 years of Rock n Roll.

Alter Bridge, while technically sound, clean, heavy and certainly talented, will never be able to capture that same feel. Though it may be a great listen, it will always sound to me like something I've heard before. Yeah, I know, it's all been done and I suppose they're at least trying. All credit there.

When it's all said and done Motorhead will live in infamy while Alter Bridge slips into obscurity. I feel pretty secure saying that.

As for saying Oasis suck. Well, the point of the thread was 'band you FEEL are over-rated' so I said what I feel in a little rant. I don't expect anyone to agree with me on that one, it's my personal hang up and millions of Oasis fans would disagree with me. I can live with that.

Cheers!
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I believe these three posters are the future of the forum once all the other hacks have left.
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Looking at this thread made me think

I've been here for about two years and I have around 1100 posts and some people who joined in 2010 or even 2011 have around my amount of posts or more

It may be because I don't post that much but jesus
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The 'very best' is all just your opinion.
Your absolutely right.

With so much music out there, I just have to draw the line. If an artist isn't unique it tends to slide under my radar.

But, when I say the very best, it is based on history, influence, talent and a general consensus.

For example, R&B, taking into account my personal taste, I lean towards Otis, Mayfield, Marvin, Aretha, Al Green, the Commodores etc. A slightly newer addition would be Alicia Keyes. These particular artists stand out above a rather large pack.

I could delve deeper into any particular genre, looking for the little nuances that separate one band from the next, but it ultimately leaves me disappointed having listened to a lot of 'sameness'.
A truly unique artist doesn't let me make this judgement as their ability is immediately recognizable.
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