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Old 04-08-2011, 10:34 PM   #51 (permalink)
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This is hilarious.

Absolutely hilarious.

Xray, you get onto me about making a blanket statement like "blacks built the USA", but yet you turn around and make a blanket statement, saying, in substance, blacks lacked the ability to do something other than back breaking work. What proof of that do you have?

Sure, those blacks you speak of were illiterate - of the European culture that they were thrust into, that is. That certainly is no basis to judge them on their overall intelligence. That would be like you calling me dumb if I were to be thrust into an Asian culture and I couldn't speak Chinese or Japanese. Absolutely ridiculous statement. Who are you to say that they didn't learn a trade or skill before they were shipped over to America?

Like someone in this thread already stated, many slaves DID learn to read and write, thanks to some whites who were willing to teach them on the sly - but they had to hide their knowledge, because if they didn't, that was their life.

Now, previously, you said that what your fathers and such did have no affect on your life, whatsoever. However, your ancestors probably had the belief that all a black man was good for was to pick cotton and shine shoes. You echo that statement by saying you don't believe blacks of that time period to do anything that required intelligence (which I will prove wrong in a hot second). You carry the same attitude that more than likely, your forefathers carried. That was the mindset in slavery days, and, sadly, in 2011, you still have whites who believe all a black man is good for is shooting a basketball and running a football. I even heard, with my own two ears, someone call a local talk radio show during the '08 presidential election and say that putting a black man in the White House is the equivalent of putting a 2nd string QB in a football game.

Now, to the subject at hand: I was not trying to be misleading by saying "blacks built this country". I recognize that blacks didn't do it single-handedly, but I'll be damned if they didn't play a major part in doing so. Xray, I'll ask the question once more that you so cleverly skirted around in the previous thread where we shared dialogue: if all the work the slaves did was menial, required no real skill, why did they need to go all the way to Africa and get them to do it? Surely they could have done it themselves if it were so menial, correct?

Now you challenged me to point you to something slaves did other than build and clean? You also said that all they knew was what the white man taught them. Well, check this out...

The slaves from West and Central Africa imported the knowledge of growing rice, which grew well in their land, to South Carolina and Georgia. The slaves taught the slave owners how to cultivate this crop. Rice did not grow in Great Britain. Other foods that came from Africa were watermelon, black-eyed peas, sorghum, okra, and millet. The Africans prepared these foods along with various gumbo and rice dishes.

Source: http://hti.math.uh.edu/curriculum/un...1/03.01.03.php

Or this....

In May, 1862, Robert Smalls, a slave, waited until the crew and captain of the Planter—a confederate ship from Charleston, South Carolina—had gone ashore. Then he, with the help of other slaves and some family members navigated it out of the harbor by posing as the captain, and immediately surrendered it to Union hands. They were rewarded by the US Government shortly thereafter for their efforts (Rose). The ship sailed again with Robert Smalls as captain under the Union flag. After the Civil War, Robert Smalls became a Congressman (Stull 40).

Same source BTW.

Sounds to me that the slave owners bought these slaves BECAUSE of their intelligence, not the lack thereof.

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Old 04-08-2011, 10:37 PM   #52 (permalink)
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No, Amber B, I don't.
Why don't you be the one to enlighten me about the renowned intelligence of slaves ??
[I have the feeling your knowledge of slave history comes from watching things like Roots & gone with the wind]



Thats lol worthy "LOL", there ya go.
Yup, where the hell would we be without all them imported African crop pickers ??

Its worth noting that once mechanized farming implements [not invented by slaves, sorry] became available on a large basis, the need for slavery was damn near totally eliminated anyhow.
So if moral reasons did not end it, practicle reasons would have.
So you are crediting the Founder Fathers and the Industrial Revolution for the same thing? Do you realize there is rather large gap between them? You can't say the Founding Fathers built the nation but the slaves didn't because we got tools that could do there work years later.

I can see where the guy who said slaves built the country was coming from. Slaves were the back bone and did the hard labor in the south. I mean who do you say builds a sky scraper; the builders or the guy who designed it?
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No, Amber B, I don't.
Why don't you be the one to enlighten me about the renowned intelligence of slaves ??
[I have the feeling your knowledge of slave history comes from watching things like Roots & gone with the wind]
You show yourself with every post. Considering that I minor in African American history, I'm pretty sure I know a thing or two about the topic but why drop knowledge on a pseudo intellectual?
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It's true that civilizations that had the most useful domestic animals went on to become the most advanced civilizations. This is because the more work that the animals could do/help with, the more people who were free to work on other things. So, if you had a horse that could pull a plow, that would be one less job for a person to do; which meant that that person would figure out another way to be useful.

So, if you consider the fact that slaves were treated as livestock, they would have easily been the most useful livestock; since a human being is far more intelligent than a horse or a donkey. So, while I haven't looked into it very much, I think it's reasonable to make the case that slavery would have helped build our society by freeing up people to pursue other things.
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How is what I said wrong?
You said [And I quote]:

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Slaves did help to build America. They didn't do it all by themselves, but I doubt it could have been done without their work.
America could not have been built without slaves ?
Really ?
If I'm required to explain whats wrong with such an overtly asinine statement, you surely wouldn't believe it anyhow.

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So you are crediting the Founder Fathers and the Industrial Revolution for the same thing? Do you realize there is rather large gap between them? You can't say the Founding Fathers built the nation but the slaves didn't because we got tools that could do there work years later.
I don't recall saying this nation was built within a week.
It was a long and well documented process, in which blacks played near 0% part.
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I can see where the guy who said slaves built the country was coming from. Slaves were the back bone and did the hard labor in the south. I mean who do you say builds a sky scraper; the builders or the guy who designed it?
Bad analogy, for more than one reason.
* I have been working heavy construction for years, there are damn near 0 blacks involved in actual designing or construction.
Thats today, I seriously doubt if the % was any higher years ago.
* I don't accept plantation work as "building".
Do you ?
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You show yourself with every post. Considering that I minor in African American history, I'm pretty sure I know a thing or two about the topic but why drop knowledge on a pseudo intellectual?
I'll listen if you have something to say.
If you don't, I sure won't lose any sleep over it.
Put it on record, what other point would there be ?
You are not going to change my mind, I'm not going to change yours - So unless you are afraid of just looking plain goofy, spit it out.

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America could not have been built without slaves ?
Really ?
If I'm required to explain whats wrong with such an overtly asinine statement, you surely wouldn't believe it anyhow.
Your the one making asinine statements. How would you know what would have happened if America didn't have all the labor the slaves provided? It might be easy to think that white people would have made the same advances without the slaves doing all the menial tasks for them, but you really can't prove that everything would turn out the same way.
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