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DR JUPES · 06-20-2010, 04:10 PM

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I have researched this aswell, it was a progressive revalation, there was a holding area of souls waiting for judgement for when the massiah came (or comes), then the massiah would separate the sheep from the goats.

However this was not revealed until around the time of david, I believe.

I think you've got that mixed up with the parable of the sheep and the goats which does appear in the New Testament, I think Luke. But there was no mention in Judaism of life after death until the Persians took over and the Jews adopted this belief. It was never accepted by the elite Sadducee group and arguably shouldn't be.

**LadyCroft** · 06-20-2010, 04:10 PM

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Which is why I didn't try to. It's a scare tactic no matter what. That's just kinda the nature of it. I'm just not a fan of the people who use it at will.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you're saying. I thought you said that anyone claiming to be Christian that believes in hell really isn't a Christian.

All the Christians I know believe in hell and I understand why they believe that way. They go strictly by their bible. And so be it. I really couldn't care less either way.

DR JUPES · 06-20-2010, 04:11 PM

I thought Evolution said trying to scare people into Christianity isn't really a Christian and is going about the wrong teachings.

A Random Person · 06-20-2010, 04:12 PM

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I think you've got that mixed up with the parable of the sheep and the goats which does appear in the New Testament, I think Luke. But there was no mention in Judaism of life after death until the Persians took over and the Jews adopted this belief. It was never accepted by the elite Sadducee group and arguably shouldn't be.

I am aware to what I alluded to but that was a common belief that was only placed into words arround that time.

DR JUPES · 06-20-2010, 04:15 PM

I'm talking about Judaism before Christianity was around, Jesus coming in and talking about the afterlife as a Jew and preaching it despite there being no mention of an afterlife in the Torah is amazing, but it was the belief in Judaism.

**MrMister** · 06-20-2010, 04:16 PM

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Agreed they are crazy about missions as well every 16y/o had a manditory bible study at 5 or 6 in the morning every school day... can you tell me that that is not serious?

They also allegedly slaughtered men, women, and children "gentile" settlers in the 1800s. By allegedly I mean they did it. That was a long time ago though.

The entire basic concept behind The Book of Mormon is about as far fetched as Scientology. Honestly, I think L. Ron Hubbard used Mormonism as a model for his "church". He took an unbelievable fantasy, made it seem real, and people believed it. I'm not sure Scientologists believe in Xenu or thetans as literally as Mormons believe in those golden tablets.

**LadyCroft** · 06-20-2010, 04:17 PM

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They also allegedly slaughtered men, women, and children "gentile" settlers in the 1800s. By allegedly I mean they did it. That was a long time ago though.

The entire basic concept behind The Book of Mormon is about as far fetched as Scientology. Honestly, I think L. Ron Hubbard used Mormonism as a model for his "church". He took an unbelievable fantasy, made it seem real, and people believed it. I'm not sure Scientologists believe in Xenu or thetans as literally as Mormons believe in those golden tablets.

The Book of Mormon = Jesus...The Western

**Evo** · 06-20-2010, 04:18 PM

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Why did you say there are no qualifications and then say it is "by grace" which according to the Bible is through faith. Is that not clearly a qualification?

I'm just referring to those who say you have to "earn" your way to heaven. Yes, faith is obviously required, lol.

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Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you're saying. I thought you said that anyone claiming to be Christian that believes in hell really isn't a Christian.

Ohhhh no no, we're at a misunderstanding. I'm saying that those who rely on scare tactics as many radical/firebrand preachers/churches do, they're not Christians. And maybe saying they're not Christians is a little off, but if nothing else, they are horribly misguided. No one should be pushing fear. It doesn't encourage faith. It encourages submission. And I'm not talking the original definition of submission, as talked about in the Bible and referring to simple obedience. Rather, I'm talking about submission as in the modern, Americanized version which has a negative connotation to it.

Some churches have their members living their whole lives in fear. I just can't agree with that.

**LadyCroft** · 06-20-2010, 04:24 PM

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Ohhhh no no, we're at a misunderstanding. I'm saying that those who rely on scare tactics as many radical/firebrand preachers/churches do, they're not Christians. And maybe saying they're not Christians is a little off, but if nothing else, they are horribly misguided. No one should be pushing fear. It doesn't encourage faith. It encourages submission. And I'm not talking the original definition of submission, as talked about in the Bible and referring to simple obedience. Rather, I'm talking about submission as in the modern, Americanized version which has a negative connotation to it.

Some churches have their members living their whole lives in fear. I just can't agree with that.

On this we agree. I wouldn't go so far as to say they aren't Christian though. It's un-Christian to say that about them... even though they do it to others all the time...which is also un-Christian. I guess they haven't read the, "judge not..." part of the bible.

I think misguided is a better word. Even then they are going by what the bible says.. or at least their interpretation of the book.

I'm surrounded by the types of churches you are referring to. The hellfire and brimstone type. That type of preaching does nothing for me. Hell all the yelling and screaming does nothing for me. I just stay away.

But to say they aren't Christian is a stretch.

Fear is a powerful tool and whomever came up with Christianity and putting the fear of hell in there was indeed a genius move.

**MrMister** · 06-20-2010, 04:24 PM

I got what you were saying Evo for what that's worth. Even though I'm not a Christian, I see where you're coming from and agree with you from your perspective.

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The Book of Mormon = Jesus...The Western

This is one of my favorite jokes by you. Unless you're plagiarizing. Then I'll have to deal with you later.