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Old 03-04-2009, 01:01 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Old 03-04-2009, 01:40 PM   #32 (permalink)
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For abortion. For killing babies.
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Old 03-04-2009, 02:08 PM   #33 (permalink)
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Killing a person would be legally murder. Abortion isn't murder, therefore it isn't killing a person.
Legally, it's not murder if it's done in the first trimester of a pregnancy. However, you are stopping the development of what would eventually become a human being. Some people believe that doing that is in fact murder.
That is the moral conundrum around the abortion issue in my opinion.

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I don't drink, so if alcohol was illegal I wouldn't care in the slightest. However, those that know a little about history (This is the "prohibition" part in your textbooks, kids), will know that it was tried before, and was a huge failure. Banning something which people before have had rights to is difficult. But I'd rather alcohol become illegal than those drugs become legal.
Firstly, I'm going to postulate that if alcohol was discovered today, it would be contraband. It's just as dangerous as most hard drugs, but the health effects aren't felt until later in life.

Secondly, why did prohibition fail there kiddo?

Finally, why couldn't other drugs (marijuana in particular) be legalized, regulated, taxed, and require you to have a permit to sell like alcohol and tobacco? All three have the same basic health effects and all three have significant effects on the brain and body during/after consumption.
Mainly because most stoners don't have enough money to make a difference by lobbying to the government like alcohol and tobacco do.
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Old 03-05-2009, 08:00 AM   #34 (permalink)
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If abortion was made illegal, what should the punishment be? Giving the woman life imprisonment or the death penalty for "murdering" a "potential human being"?

If I kill a caterpillar (a "potential butterfly") am I murdering a butterfly? Absurd.

Pro-choice indeed.

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Old 03-05-2009, 10:59 AM   #35 (permalink)
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Pro-Life.

Comparing a larvae to a baby in the womb is ridcolous tbh.

However, i'm pro-choice in certain cases, if it rape, as shown above or if the parent(s) are not fit enough (physically or mentally) to look after the baby.
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Old 03-05-2009, 11:22 AM   #36 (permalink)
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So are we debating abortion or drugs?

Anyway I am pro life with exceptions. Obviously that case Rajah pointed out. But that is the exception, not the rule when it comes to the abortion debate.

I don't have the right to tell any woman what to do with her own body. But while a fetus resides in a woman's body, it isn't actually part of it. Hell, call it a human parasite if you want, but it isn't her body. I wouldn't want any potential child of mine to be aborted. But my wife is pro life (and had her tubes tied) so, I don't have to worry. But it is legal, whether people like it or not. What I do not like is the fact that minors can have abortions in some places and not have to tell their parents. If a parent has to take care of a child legally until 18 and in many cases choose to through college, they should have the right to know that their under age daughter has had a very invasive medical procedure. I have 2 girls. I believe they have the right to choose even if I don't like it, but I should have the right to know if they have an abortion under the age of 18.

What I do find almost as disgusting is Christians that protest outside of clinics or Planned Parenthood with the signs of mangled fetuses. Where I am a Christian and believe Jesus would have been against abortion, he would have offered help, not offensive protest signs.
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Old 03-05-2009, 11:35 AM   #37 (permalink)
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Comparing a larvae to a baby in the womb is ridcolous tbh.
I was showing the ridiculously flawed logic of "y has 'potential' to be x, therefore y IS x" arguments to you. I merely replaced Y with caterpillar and X with butterfly. You can also replace Y with seed and X with full tree to see how flawed it is.

It had nothing to with "comparing a larvae to a baby" and everything to do with pointing out the invalid logical form.
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Old 03-05-2009, 11:39 AM   #38 (permalink)
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A woman has a right to choose.
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Old 03-05-2009, 12:27 PM   #39 (permalink)
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A women has right to contraception if needs must.
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Old 03-06-2009, 09:01 PM   #40 (permalink)
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The words pro-choice and pro-life are utter bullshit, everyone here is both pro-life and pro-choice, so lets get that out of the way.

The real question is when does life begin? Now we all know that something that isn't alive can't grow, and a fetus grows therefore it has life, and if it has life then abortion should be illegal, except for in the case where the mother's life is in danger.
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