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Old 11-14-2003, 12:03 AM   #11 (permalink)
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For me it's always hard to answer this sort of question. In general I believe in god. But when I'm sitting down with my friend and we're talking about random stuff, trying to answer a bunch of random questions about life(it's like we're high, rambling on trying to be deep, but we're not high...it's weird) and we get on the subject of God I tend to lean toward the "No such thing as God" area. There's just not enough evidence to point to a God. There's more evidence that extra terrestrials exist than the evidence of God, yet if you went out on the street and asked 100 random people if they believed in God and aliens, probably 98% of them would say yes to God, and around 50% would believe in Aliens(actually probably more, but whatever). Just like when you ask grown adults if they believe in Santa Claus, they automatically say no, but yet if you ask if they believe in God, they usually say yes. It seems strange to me that you can't believe in a jolly man who gives presents to people all around the world, but you can believe in one being that created everything and everyone. It's all in how we're taught at a young age. If you never told a child that there was no Santa, they could probably go on their whole life thinking there is such thing as Santa Claus, even if he doesn't exist. Seems that's the deal with God too. At a young age, you're taught to go to church and worship this "God". And as you grow up you continue to worship God. And since no one tells you differently, you continue this belief in God your whole life. And most everyone else believes the same, so theres no reason for that belief to fade. Also, we're scared into believing in God at a young age. Imagine being a young child and being told to believe in God. And if you don't believe in him, you'll go to hell. Hell is where the Devil lives. The Devil is a fiery evil mean horned monster. He'll torture you and burn you and make you suffer for your wrongful choice. Now, as a child, hearing this, you'd believe in God of course. And one thing I don't quite understand is the Bible. More specifically, I don't understand the origin of the Bible. Now, I've never read it, I don't really know the contents of the Bible, etc. But for some reason, the fact that there's a book on stuff that supposedly happened years and years and years ago, is sorta baffling. Who was there to see and find out these things? How did these stories get passed on for so many years? If they got passed on over the years, don't you think the stories would change alot over time? Therefore, the stories in the Bible can't be truthful. The idea that there's a book on supposed happenings from so long ago doesn't make sense to me. I think the Bible was just something written and made up by a bunch of people with time on their hands, trying to create believers of this certain religion. If you ask me, the Bible is nothing but a hard to understand storybook to put your kids to sleep with.

Hmm, after reading my post, seems I do lean towards the "No God" side of things. In general I still believe in God. Meaning I still pray to God in serious situations and such. But then again, like I mentioned, that's just due to me being brainwashed into believing in God since I was young.
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Old 11-14-2003, 12:56 AM   #12 (permalink)
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Old 11-14-2003, 04:48 AM   #13 (permalink)
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I'm usure of what I believe. I switch from atheist to agnostic depending on my mood. I appreciate how believing there is something higher than us, something guiding us and a better place to go when we're dead (but only if we're good) is comforting, but I can't believe it. It seems like a folk story passed on for thousands of years to make people feel more secure.

Don't get me wrong, I don't have a problem with people being religious, going to Church or believing whatever they want to, but I don't want them ramming it down my throat.

I'm inevitably going to put a lot of people's noses out of joint here, but if they practice what they preach (for want of a better phrase), then they won't mind.

I cannot bear Catholicism. Whilst all religion is hypocritical, Catholicism is the worst. The Pope lives like a king whilst there are Catholic towns in South America where people are dying because the conditions are so terrible. I believe I am right in saying that the Catholic Church is one of the wealthiest organisations in the world, yet they let their believers live in squallor.

I think it's in the film Dogma where the point is made that if you believe in God you should be praising him, not fearing him all the time, and that's another problem I have with it.


I'm going to stop now before I work myself up. Sorry if I've offended anyone, that was never my intention. It just makes me cross.
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Old 11-14-2003, 05:49 AM   #14 (permalink)
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For me it's always hard to answer this sort of question. In general I believe in god. But when I'm sitting down with my friend and we're talking about random stuff, trying to answer a bunch of random questions about life(it's like we're high, rambling on trying to be deep, but we're not high...it's weird) and we get on the subject of God I tend to lean toward the "No such thing as God" area. There's just not enough evidence to point to a God. There's more evidence that extra terrestrials exist than the evidence of God, yet if you went out on the street and asked 100 random people if they believed in God and aliens, probably 98% of them would say yes to God, and around 50% would believe in Aliens(actually probably more, but whatever). Just like when you ask grown adults if they believe in Santa Claus, they automatically say no, but yet if you ask if they believe in God, they usually say yes. It seems strange to me that you can't believe in a jolly man who gives presents to people all around the world, but you can believe in one being that created everything and everyone. It's all in how we're taught at a young age. If you never told a child that there was no Santa, they could probably go on their whole life thinking there is such thing as Santa Claus, even if he doesn't exist. Seems that's the deal with God too. At a young age, you're taught to go to church and worship this "God". And as you grow up you continue to worship God. And since no one tells you differently, you continue this belief in God your whole life. And most everyone else believes the same, so theres no reason for that belief to fade. Also, we're scared into believing in God at a young age. Imagine being a young child and being told to believe in God. And if you don't believe in him, you'll go to hell. Hell is where the Devil lives. The Devil is a fiery evil mean horned monster. He'll torture you and burn you and make you suffer for your wrongful choice. Now, as a child, hearing this, you'd believe in God of course. And one thing I don't quite understand is the Bible. More specifically, I don't understand the origin of the Bible. Now, I've never read it, I don't really know the contents of the Bible, etc. But for some reason, the fact that there's a book on stuff that supposedly happened years and years and years ago, is sorta baffling. Who was there to see and find out these things? How did these stories get passed on for so many years? If they got passed on over the years, don't you think the stories would change alot over time? Therefore, the stories in the Bible can't be truthful. The idea that there's a book on supposed happenings from so long ago doesn't make sense to me. I think the Bible was just something written and made up by a bunch of people with time on their hands, trying to create believers of this certain religion. If you ask me, the Bible is nothing but a hard to understand storybook to put your kids to sleep with.

Hmm, after reading my post, seems I do lean towards the "No God" side of things. In general I still believe in God. Meaning I still pray to God in serious situations and such. But then again, like I mentioned, that's just due to me being brainwashed into believing in God since I was young.

Religion is not based on facts. That's a fact. It's based on faith, if YOU believe it.
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Old 11-14-2003, 05:55 AM   #15 (permalink)
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It's funny but you generally believe in what your parents teach you as a child. If they are devote church goers, chances are you will be too. My wife's family are very Catholic, she was brought up that way and they used to expect her to go to church and do the other stuff. They wanted her to go because that's the way they were brought up, and so that's what they believe. My wife doesn't believe in it much anymore and she's afraid to tell her parents as she thinks she'll offend them. That's not a religion. A religion is a belief, not a law. Why should you have to go to church on a Sunday to worship God? Is he that shallow that you can't worship him from your own home? I can't stand these religions where they knock on your door, preaching about what they do. I should believe in it, not have it forced upon me.
You are right Flash about the value of the Catholic Church though. Why do they have a collection plate? Need another monstrosity for a building to worship in? Need more leadlight windows? Is God that vain he won't bless your church if it's not over a million dollars in real estate? Don't have enough schools to take away Government handouts?
When I got married, it was in a Catholic Church to please my future in-laws. It didn't bother me. What did was the fact that they wanted us to do a marriage course, at a cost of nearly $200.00. Not like we had enough to spend money on at the time. I refused and told the priest straight out. We had a few interviews with him instead, at no cost. He nearly wouldn't marry us as I refused to sign a piece of paper saying I would bring my children up as Catholics. That was a no-no. I told him that we'd get married in an Anglican Church and that he'd lose my wife forever as a Catholic. He re-worded his request and he married us. It should make no difference what religion my kids decide, it will be up to them and I will support their decision %100.
Religion is big business. Look at the Church of Scientology. They have many big names who have to donate a % of their earnings to please the higher power. Tom Cruise, John Travolta and Lisa-Marie Presley to name a few. Michael Jackson’s money would've made a difference if he'd hung around with her.
I have no belief in God or in a God. I feel that people who need God to survive are weak people who like to blame others for their problems. Like Cody said, there is more proof that Aliens exist, than that of God existing. I have no problem with people believing in God either. If you do, that's your choice, but don't preach your values on me.
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I am an atheist, I believe the theory that God was just made up to make children less scared of dying and wanting to lead a good life. Unfortunately weak minded sheep latched onto it and ran with it. Turned out enough people were scared, so they believed it too.

Sorry, but if you believe in something blindly, you're a fucking moron. How many sunday mornings are you going to waste in your life? Does this solve all your questions? Do you find re-assurance in a book. Which might as well be " How to live for dummies" that's been re-written so many times it's lost most of the original meaning? I'll sleep in thanks, and just live for my life.


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Old 11-14-2003, 11:13 AM   #17 (permalink)
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If god created all. Who created god?

Theres one part in the bible that the church does not say
I am god, I am everwhere.

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Old 11-14-2003, 11:58 AM   #18 (permalink)
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I mtself am Aethiest even though my parents are deeply religous and drag me along to all religous events.
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Old 11-14-2003, 12:19 PM   #19 (permalink)
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First off, nowhere (and I have read the ENTIRE bible) does it say if you are a bad person you go to hell. That is a BIG misconception. Now other religions and denominations teach differently. But as far as my family, my church, and my bible you do not automatically go to hell if you do one bad thing. Another huge misunderstanding is that if you are a good person you automatically go to heaven. What the bible says (and I am no expert but I know what I know) is exactly this; If you are a good person and you try to be good and above all YOU BELIEVE IN YOUR "HEART OF HEARTS" that Jesus Christ was born of a virgin Mary, came to earth, is the son of god, and died on the cross so that we will be forgiven for our sins, you will go to heaven, flat out. The bible also says that, again, you believe in you heart of hearts that Christ is not real and did not die for our sins you will go to hell, flat out. Of course there are exceptions, like, you are an evil person all your life no church, no Jesus and you denounce Christianity, but at one point you see the light (so to speak) and you become active and you believe in god and you apologize for your sins, then there is a good chance that you will be saved. The bible says that you will go to hell if you believe in the above. But I believe that if you are truly sorry TRULY sorry for your wrongdoing, I think you will be saved, but that is not guaranteed. That is my personal belief. That can also go in reverse as well, you were a believer then stopped. I will use my self as an example; I have had serious doubts about some stories of the bible ex: Noah, Adam/Eve etc. but never about Jesus. And of course like ever human being I have sinned, watched porn, swore etc: along with other things. Although I have sinned I truly believe (and I am not just saying this) that I will go to heaven, despite my mistakes, because I am a true believer in Jesus Christ. Not a religion but CHRIST. Now on to the bible issue. The bible was not written by god himself. It was written through the power of god compelling people to teach his word. Church another issue, you do not necessarily have to go to church to go to heaven, but it helps. And to the above thread ^^^^^^^^^ “god is everywhere”. Try not to think of god as a person, because that is to confusing, think of god as everything as the air, water, trees, grass, flesh, space, stars, earth. That will help you understand what god is. God was not created, he is the creator and...........it is very hard to put into words, but don't think of him as a person, but as IT.




And as for BDV1 you said “if you believe in something blindly you are a fucking moron”. It is obvious that you believe BLINDLY in the non-existence of Jesus. Does that mean since you made an uneducated, BLIND decision that you ARE A FUCKING MORON? I for one am well versed in the bible, and I will be glad to take on any one who has objections to what I said. I myself find more satisfaction or safety believing in what is in a thousand year old book, than a school book that teaches that the creation of the universe was a giant explosion that, all the sudden, out of nowhere, all the planets came into being. And that the existence of humanity all started with a soup of gunk that just happened to hold all the right components to forge life and did so and over billions of years it evolved into a modern days human.

Like I said, I am no expert but I know what I know.
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You believe in a made up story. You are a fucking moron. I do not have blind beliefs. There is no proof that God or Jesus exist. This is a reason why I believe what I do. So how can my decision be blind? There is clear proof God doesn't exist by the dinosaurs, and by the SUFFERING, PAIN AND DEATH that happens every day in Gods name.

You live your life by words that were never spoken. By morals written down by some nobody. If there were such a god or christ, why would he give a fuck if we believed in him/her? If there was some divine creator, some great spiritual being. Then why would they be so petty as to care if we believed in them? If we were created, then we are his children. And to refuse to love your child because of their lack of love for you is cold and immature. A god could never be as petty as us.
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