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Old 05-28-2003, 01:24 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I don't mean to offend any religious people on the forums, but as of right now, I have lost all form of religion I thought I had.

My reason?

Earlier on today, I found out that my mother had died. She was only 43, and nobody deserves to die at an age like that. As I'm typing this, I'm shaking, because i'ts not natural for you to live to be older than your parents.

Then people will tell me it's all part of "God's plan". Well I think this is bullshit. What exactly is accomplished by doing something like that? It accomplishes NOTHING but suffering for relatives. I have a younger brother and sister (9, and 15), and it has left both of them in such a state, that I can't look at them without crying myself.

Some people will ask why I would post something like this. My answer is if I didn't say something now, I might not later, and would have to live with the fact for the rest of my life.

I don't know how I can cope with this, so if anyone can help, it would be appreciated.
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Old 05-28-2003, 01:42 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I felt exactly like you did when I watched my nan die of cancer. She was relatively young, only 54 or so, and like your mother, did not deserve to die that age. I had started losing my religion before then, but this clinched it. It made me question everything about my life and I changed dramatically.

But time did heal the wounds. I came out of it better than I ever have been. Sure, I get depressed easily, hell I've even tried suicide so many times it's not funny anymore. But it made me see life more realistically, and help people more than I ever could imagine. No one can help someone else through hell better than someone who's already been there. And believe me, it is satisfying to say you helped influence that person.


What you're feeling right now is natural, and i would be worried if you didn't feel it. You have all the questions, but no answers. You have lost the one place you could turn to, and theres no one to hear you anymore. So you are releasing every anger, every aggression out on life's escape plan... religion. I did exactly the same thing. It's what God is there for. I won't encourage you to stop or to "think deeper" about it all just yet. You do what you need to do and take as much time over it as you need.

But I will tell you this, it did happen for a reason. That reason is fate. Everything we see, we see for a reason. Everything we feel, we feel for a reason. It may be a big reason, and it may be a small reason, but there is a reason. Small things were always so trivial in the early days. But you should learn to enjoy the small things in life. Your mom dying at such an early age shows that you can only live once, and that we never know when our day will come. How many more times will you see the sun rise? How many more times will you be able to smile at your brother and sister, and hug them and tell them you love them? Every small thing in life is special... and I'm sure your mom would have told you the same thing in my shoes.

This may sound a contradiction to my post in another thread over in "Anything", but then sometimes the big things can overpower the small things. I want love more than anything in life. And no person can change my opinion on that. I want love, and I need love. But through all the hardships, never lose touch of the little things, because the smallest things may bring the most joy to someones life.


Chat to people too. Always helps. If you wanna talk, I'm on MSN and AIM, or you can PM me. I know what its like. Hopefully it will have the same affect on you as it did on me. No promises, but just think about what I've said, take time out, and revisit them when you are ready. The first step to recovery is acceptance... from then on, you'll be fine. DOesn't seem it now, but you will be.
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Old 05-28-2003, 02:10 PM   #3 (permalink)
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First off sorry about your mom. I've never had anyone that close to me die before so I'm not sure what to tell you.

I'm not going say it was "gods plan" or whatever because I think that's bullshit. If you have read any of my posts over in the debates forum you'll know my thoughts on religion and god. Don't even get me started on that...

As for coping with it talking about it might help. Or maybe not. I don't know. Things will get better with time.
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Old 05-28-2003, 02:34 PM   #4 (permalink)
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I can't really offer any advice, but I'm sorry about your mom. I don't really believe there is a set God's plan, but I think there is probably something along the lines of a prototype, is that makes any sense which I doubt it does.
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Old 05-28-2003, 03:04 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Firs, I'm sorry about what happened to your mom. I know what you are going through. Nearly Two years ago, I lost my dad. He was only 48. He lost the battle. He was fighting through Liver cancer. He did lots of drugs when he was younger. He then stopped, but it was too late.It also did hurt cause my broth and sister were only 9 and 12. I don't think that they really understood what was happening. I was relieved that he had dided though. Not the relived that you are probably thinking, but the releif that he was no longer going in and out of the hospital every couple of weeks. He wouldn't have been suffering. But I never gave up on religion. If anything it made me more of a believer. I was able to say goodbye to my dad. He was a good man. He loved us a lot. I loved him a lot. Just stay beliving in god because everything happens for a reason. I personally think that everyone comes back though, in one way or another.
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It's mostly from radiation that we die. Unless you die by force, i.e. murder or suicide. Not like radioactive waste, but just from the minute bits of radiation we take in. Pretty much everything gives off radiation. The radiation causes cells to decompose. If it wasn't for radiation, we would never age(or we would probably never stop growing) or get cancer.

God is shit anyway. If there really is such thing as God and Satan, then Satan would be the one doing all the work. He's creating evil and shit, and these so called "miracles" only happen to about one in a million people. I just think that religion is for people who are too dumb to think for themselves. It's a sad thing too, because most people do. I think only one percent of the world doesn't believe in a higher power. I don't like beliefs anyway. Just think of all the terrible things that came out of beliefs. The Crusades, The Holocaust, fascism, communism, racism, the list goes on. They were all based on beliefs. Try and give me one instance where something good came out of beliefs.

Got a little carried away there. Yeah, that is a fucked thing to happen, your mother dying when you're not even out of the house. Just do stuff for yourself and don't waste your time searching for that elusive "God". Don't let all the bullshitters get to you, they already got enough people believing their lies. You know what I'd say to someone who says it's "God's plan"? FUCK GOD! What kind of god takes a fucking baby from it's mothers womb? What kind of god lets billions starve and suffer each day? What kind of god lets millions of people burn to death because of one crazy, power-hungry fuck!? You tell me! What kind of fucking god!?
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You all have points to make, but rightnow don't know what to think, or do. My mind is a blur at the moment, and I didn't get any sleep last night so forgive me if I'm a little incoherent and I think this is all some kind of dream that I'll wake up from soon, but I know it isn't. I'm going to wait a few days to see if I can make any sense of it all.
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It's mostly from radiation that we die. Unless you die by force, i.e. murder or suicide. Not like radioactive waste, but just from the minute bits of radiation we take in. Pretty much everything gives off radiation. The radiation causes cells to decompose. If it wasn't for radiation, we would never age(or we would probably never stop growing) or get cancer.

God is shit anyway. If there really is such thing as God and Satan, then Satan would be the one doing all the work. He's creating evil and shit, and these so called "miracles" only happen to about one in a million people. I just think that religion is for people who are too dumb to think for themselves. It's a sad thing too, because most people do. I think only one percent of the world doesn't believe in a higher power. I don't like beliefs anyway. Just think of all the terrible things that came out of beliefs. The Crusades, The Holocaust, fascism, communism, racism, the list goes on. They were all based on beliefs. Try and give me one instance where something good came out of beliefs.

Got a little carried away there. Yeah, that is a fucked thing to happen, your mother dying when you're not even out of the house. Just do stuff for yourself and don't waste your time searching for that elusive "God". Don't let all the bullshitters get to you, they already got enough people believing their lies. You know what I'd say to someone who says it's "God's plan"? FUCK GOD! What kind of god takes a fucking baby from it's mothers womb? What kind of god lets billions starve and suffer each day? What kind of god lets millions of people burn to death because of one crazy, power-hungry fuck!? You tell me! What kind of fucking god!?
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