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Old 09-27-2004, 02:15 AM   #21 (permalink)
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I like Tina she is quite hot IMO. but not as hot as that one dude here....Djibril!?i think
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^ I wonder who that is.
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Old 09-27-2004, 03:33 AM   #23 (permalink)
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BDV, you seemed to be talking like Amish racks in the bucks from these ads. I believe whatever money he gets from the ads, he doesn't have much, if any, extra. It's to keep WE running. It takes money to pay for server costs and vB and stuff. You sounded like Amish is doing it for the big pay off he gets or something.
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Old 09-27-2004, 07:38 AM   #24 (permalink)
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First of all, you're an idiot (not an insult, just my thoughts on your post), which is why you have been removed from staff, and I am sure you don't care, since we're "inconsiderate."
Fair enough Lee, use your power as you want too. I just think it sucks you did it because I had my own opinion. I always thought discussion boards, especially rants sections had a liberal view on free speech.

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W-E was made because of ads. The ads ARE part of W-E. They have been around since the beginning, and no one was ever lead to believe it would be an ad-free site. You willingly registered when there were ads, just as every other member her has. And NOW that you're registered, you are complaining about something that has been here since the beginning? Who's inconsiderate?
I understand this. But there is a difference between regular, harmless ads for forum users and the ads W-E chooses to neglegently install. Say there was the occasional pop up on the index, that wouldn't be shit, that'd be fine. But when you have Ads which carry malicious spyware, fixed ads with a sound activated banner across the top of the forum, one that scrolls across the top and blocks forum categories, then you're impairing people's enjoyment of the forum. These people are bringing in the revenue, so shouldn't you treat them well? The customer is always right.

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If members don't like the ads (as in, can't deal or get around them), then why the hell did they register to begin with?
There aren't nearly as many regular posters here as at NoDQ, the ads are costing W-E long term members. Look at what all us regulars have to do. Get an additional browser, go through scripting, become familiar with any spyware software. Pirate professional security software. It's so much bother. Maybe W-E should treat it's long serving members with a little more consideration.

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Oooh, so now that Amish wants to make money it's the entire administratoin to blame? If I recall, I run the forums. Amish owns them. Amish is in control of the ads, and they aren't going to change. Amish is not administration, though. Only myself, Kaneanite, and Rajah are admins. And the hacks here...they weren't installed for me or Cody or Chris. They were installed for the users. The style, you know, Chromo? Picked by the users, not administration. I picked the geltech one, but left Chromo around for USERS to pick. I never forced one style on people, but I think the next style will be done that way to end confusion.
I never said you didn't do a good job as the administration. I'm saying you guys have the (technical) power to remove such ads and do not do so, no matter how it effects users. That is why I addressed all of you.

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W-E's "biggest rival," or rather NoDQ, removed ads.
Yes, I wasn't going to advertise them by name, but your choice.

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All I'm saying is he is likely going to put more and more ads on the forums. Besides, they do make some members pay for some of their features or forums. And don't mention the ads -- we both know you probably wouldn't spend money to remove the ads because you already can...
Yes the NoDQ ads are easily avoidable. They offer paid membership as an option for some additional features, I won't personally do it but browsing a forum with 0 ads is one of the clauses and seems pretty cool. They reward (not ban) users with long term commitments to the forum, for instance with 1,000 posts you have access to area's usually reserved for paid members. etc.

Just as a comparison between the two sites...
Ads on NoDQ's site; 2/3
Ads on W-E's site; 11

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Anyway, WEForums is ran with the users in mind. We even try to be LAX on the rules (some of us, rather...). I'm not ban-crazy (whether you believe it or not...) like some admins on various other forums are.
You're a part of harming people's computers who try to visit the forum and help it stay alive. Great system man, great system.
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Old 09-27-2004, 04:48 PM   #25 (permalink)
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Fair enough Lee, use your power as you want too. I just think it sucks you did it because I had my own opinion. I always thought discussion boards, especially rants sections had a liberal view on free speech.
Don't even start that. Anyone who is on staff and says WEForums is overrated and the admins are inconsiderate will be removed from staff. I don't care who is is. Rajah, Kaneanite, Flash, A-Dust. Any of them. If you think that about this forum, then you don't deserve to be staff. Hell, you probably don't care that you were removed since this forum is "overrated" anyway, right?

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I understand this. But there is a difference between regular, harmless ads for forum users and the ads W-E chooses to neglegently install. Say there was the occasional pop up on the index, that wouldn't be shit, that'd be fine. But when you have Ads which carry malicious spyware, fixed ads with a sound activated banner across the top of the forum, one that scrolls across the top and blocks forum categories, then you're impairing people's enjoyment of the forum. These people are bringing in the revenue, so shouldn't you treat them well? The customer is always right.
The ads ask if you want to install something. If people click yes, then they willingly install it, and thus we're not responsible. Most users don't even get pop-ups which is why there are so many pop-ups on the site. How often do users complain? Not often in comparison to the ones who ARE registered, I can assure you of this, and I am sure you know. Thus, most users don't have "impaired enjoyment." Banner ads aren't really a problem (most users would tell you that anyway, this "Tina" banner ad makes noise on onmouseovers...omg it's evil), and pop-ups should be stopped on all computers anyway (we're not the ONLY site who has pop-ups, many other sites have them, such as TVGuide.com).

However, you are not a costumer, so don't put that in people's heads. You are a member. You buy nothing here. But if you DO want to say you're a costumer, wouldn't that make everyone who is disabling ads thieves?...

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There aren't nearly as many regular posters here as at NoDQ, the ads are costing W-E long term members. Look at what all us regulars have to do. Get an additional browser, go through scripting, become familiar with any spyware software. Pirate professional security software. It's so much bother. Maybe W-E should treat it's long serving members with a little more consideration.
When I go to NoDQ I get a (as in one) pop-up. My software doesn't block their pop-up, and it's on every page. I don't get any pop-ups here with my software. However, long-term members...what would you consider long-term? I've been here for ~3 or so years, you're coming up on 2 years...so what's "long-term" anyway?

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I never said you didn't do a good job as the administration. I'm saying you guys have the (technical) power to remove such ads and do not do so, no matter how it effects users. That is why I addressed all of you.
I wasn't trying to say I do a good job as admin. I'm just saying I do what I can control, and ads is something I do not control, as I have already stated.

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Yes the NoDQ ads are easily avoidable.
Apparently WEForums ads are too...

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They offer paid membership as an option for some additional features, I won't personally do it but browsing a forum with 0 ads is one of the clauses and seems pretty cool. They reward (not ban) users with long term commitments to the forum, for instance with 1,000 posts you have access to area's usually reserved for paid members. etc.

Just as a comparison between the two sites...
Ads on NoDQ's site; 2/3
Ads on W-E's site; 11
1,000 posts? Never really knew about that, but 1,000 posts could be made in a few days. It makes more sense to go by days rather than posts because of spammers...but yeah.

Paying option won't happen because Amish isn't going to force his users to pay for the forum features. That's bad business strategy he thinks (can't say I disagree).

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You're a part of harming people's computers who try to visit the forum and help it stay alive. Great system man, great system.
And? So are you. You're a member here. I didn't place the ads on the pages, so I am not responsible. I can't remove the ads, so again it's not my responsiblity. I sure hope you don't blame MSN staff for people sending viruses to your hotmail account.
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I'm gonna go off topic here and ask: "What the hell is scripting?"
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Old 09-27-2004, 05:21 PM   #27 (permalink)
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He means javascript, which is sometimes called "scripting."

Oh, and about browsers...no one has to change browsers. That is people's preferences.
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Old 09-27-2004, 05:43 PM   #28 (permalink)
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Just like old times

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Don't even start that. Anyone who is on staff and says WEForums is overrated and the admins are inconsiderate will be removed from staff. I don't care who is is. Rajah, Kaneanite, Flash, A-Dust. Any of them. If you think that about this forum, then you don't deserve to be staff. Hell, you probably don't care that you were removed since this forum is "overrated" anyway, right?
When W-E forums begin to take care of the security of their members I will take back what I've said about the people who can change it; The administration. To not accept any criticism at all is to not want W-E to progress. Maybe you should try to see this situation from a members side rather than becoming hell bent on discrediting what I'm saying. I enjoyed my time on staff and felt I did a good job in getting it active. I still thinks it sucks I was de-modded the way I was, but it is of course your call. I'm not going to whine about it.

What I meant by over rated is that it is not worth the hassle for most members of getting all the software to block out everything W-E throws at you to fuck your computer up and create annoyances; ie sound clips on ads. There was an airplane service ad that would play a plane taking off every single time a page loaded, with no mouse over involved. To me that is intrusive and a major inconvenience for anyone watching or listening to media on their computer, which many do whilst surfing.

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The ads ask if you want to install something. If people click yes, then they willingly install it, and thus we're not responsible.
There's been an ad running on W-E (always got through my Crazy Browser blocker) that prompted you with an installed 3-4 times after you'd clicked no. It's intrusive and annoying. I also get spyware from W-E without accepting anything whenever I surf on explorer or crazy browser. Sure you'll say just get new software, but why should I and 89,000+ other members change when Amish should be responsible and check what he's sending our computers rather than forcing us to endure this just to visit this forum.

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However, you are not a costumer, so don't put that in people's heads. You are a member. You buy nothing here. But if you DO want to say you're a costumer, wouldn't that make everyone who is disabling ads thieves?...
When pop ups load on my computer, I'm making money for Amish by using his forum. I'd say that's money given for a service, I'd say I was a customer here. I'm sure more than one ad gets through everyone's computer in their time at W-E. So they've effectively paid something, therefore stealing nothing and being owed something other than playing your part in destroying their computer and making visiting this forum a negative experience.

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I wasn't trying to say I do a good job as admin. I'm just saying I do what I can control, and ads is something I do not control, as I have already stated.
You could at least try to do something, perhaps speak to Amish about it since you run everything on this forum for him.

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Apparently WEForums ads are too...
I've never had an annoying ad on NoDQ. W-E forum ads are plastered everywhere and sound activated etc.

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Paying option won't happen because Amish isn't going to force his users to pay for the forum features. That's bad business strategy he thinks (can't say I disagree).
They don't force their members to do shit, Lee. It's freedom of choice, you can have deluxe service without ads for $8, forever. That's fine for people who will spend years on a forum, it's not expensive and it's not forced.

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And? So are you. You're a member here. I didn't place the ads on the pages, so I am not responsible. I can't remove the ads, so again it's not my responsiblity.
I spoke up and voiced my opinion against it, I didn't like something so I tried to tell the administration that. I may have gotten de-modded for it but at least I tried to do something. I did what I could, you did nothing.
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Old 09-27-2004, 06:08 PM   #29 (permalink)
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When W-E forums begin to take care of the security of their members I will take back what I've said about the people who can change it; The administration. To not accept any criticism at all is to not want W-E to progress. Maybe you should try to see this situation from a members side rather than becoming hell bent on discrediting what I'm saying. I enjoyed my time on staff and felt I did a good job in getting it active. I still thinks it sucks I was de-modded the way I was, but it is of course your call. I'm not going to whine about it.
I never "didn't accept your criticism." You're not banned and your messages aren't deleted, ar ethey? Not agreeing with something doesn't mean I don't "accept it."

Besides that, yeah, you were demodded because you "spoke your mind." But being a staff member of WEForums should at least mean you stick up for WEForums a little bit, not insult it and its owner/admins. Obviously you don't care enough for WEForums to be a mod. If you want to be a mod again I am all for that...when you shut up and admit the admins (myself, Cody, and Chris) have nothing to do with the ads displayed here on WEForums, and thus we're not to be blamed for what happens. It's stupid to accuse us of that bullshit.

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What I meant by over rated is that it is not worth the hassle for most members of getting all the software to block out everything W-E throws at you to fuck your computer up and create annoyances; ie sound clips on ads. There was an airplane service ad that would play a plane taking off every single time a page loaded, with no mouse over involved. To me that is intrusive and a major inconvenience for anyone watching or listening to media on their computer, which many do whilst surfing.
I find it funny. Really. All computers should have firewalls anyway. MOST GOOD firewalls have ad-blocking/pop-up blocking so I really don't see what is so "fucked up" with us. Especially considering if you're computer is NOT safe, then you could be hacked without a good firewall.

Argue with it if you want, I don't really care. ZoneAlarm and Norton firewalls should block IP intrusions as well as ads. Last time I used ZoneAlarm is was quite good, just had some cookie problems.


[quote=BreakDownV1]There's been an ad running on W-E (always got through my Crazy Browser blocker) that prompted you with an installed 3-4 times after you'd clicked no. It's intrusive and annoying. I also get spyware from W-E without accepting anything whenever I surf on explorer or crazy browser. Sure you'll say just get new software, but why should I and 89,000+ other members change when Amish should be responsible and check what he's sending our computers rather than forcing us to endure this just to visit this forum.[/quotes]Or maybe Amish should continue to run his site the way he wants it run? Again, most people don't complain about the ads, so wtf are you insinuating it's so annoying? I am sure everyone would like the ads gone, but overall with them here very few complain.

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When pop ups load on my computer, I'm making money for Amish by using his forum. I'd say that's money given for a service, I'd say I was a customer here. I'm sure more than one ad gets through everyone's computer in their time at W-E. So they've effectively paid something, therefore stealing nothing and being owed something other than playing your part in destroying their computer and making visiting this forum a negative experience.
You're still buying absolutely nothing, thus you're not a customer (it's true, to be a customer you must buy something...). NoDQ has some customers, but we do not.

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You could at least try to do something, perhaps speak to Amish about it since you run everything on this forum for him.
Oh? How do you know I have not? I never once stated I haven't, and I know Amish never told you that I haven't.

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I've never had an annoying ad on NoDQ. W-E forum ads are plastered everywhere and sound activated etc.
Like I said, I get this ad that goes through NISP2004. I have no idea why it goes through. It doesn't have sound, but it's more annoying than the 0 ads I get here at WEForums.

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They don't force their members to do shit, Lee. It's freedom of choice, you can have deluxe service without ads for $8, forever. That's fine for people who will spend years on a forum, it's not expensive and it's not forced.
You're right. Maybe they don't force it. According to what you've said so far, you can buy it or get 1,000 posts, right?

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I spoke up and voiced my opinion against it, I didn't like something so I tried to tell the administration that. I may have gotten de-modded for it but at least I tried to do something. I did what I could, you did nothing.
I'm tired of saying this. It's growing extremely weary.

I control the forums, NOT the ads. I will NEVER control the ads. Amish makes money off the ads and it is his site. He can put 29464846 ads on the site if he wants, and I wouldn't be able to do anything about it.

Again: We (admins...Kaneanite, Rajah, me) run the forums, not Amish. But he runs the ads, not us.
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I still see him as a mod when I go to the Multimedia forum...so was this just a threat or did Nitemare pull an "oops I fucked up?"
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