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#1 · (Edited)
Participants:
Ron Mathis
Danny Havoc
DJ Hyde
Matt Tremont
Joe Gacy
Scotty Vortekz
Lucky 13
Takumi Tsukamoto

Ultraviolent Ladders:
Scotty Vortekz vs. Lucky 13

Ultraviolent Dog Collar:
Matt Tremont vs. Joe Gacy

Barbed Wire Match:
Danny Havoc vs. Ron Mathis

International Panes of Glass:
DJ Hyde vs. Takumi Tsukamoto

Non Tournament:
Drake Younger vs. Devon Moore


Not too excited about Gacy and Lucky being in the tournament, but I'm liking where this NOI/Naptown Dragons feud is going.
 
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#271 ·
I was at Deja Vu last night. Really solid show. The venue was hot as fuck, however.

The AR Fox tag match was a lot of fun. Lots of big spots.

Tommy Dreamer took a tombstone pile driver and broke his fall with his head/neck.

The NRBW was a ton of fun. Lots of blood and big spots.

Overall it was pretty fun. My girlfriend insisted that she wanted to see a czw show. Afterward, she told me she didn't want to go to anymore. SHUCKS.
 
#882 ·
Alright, I said I was gonna do this awhile ago and I'm a man of my word, so here it is...

KoS's Top 10 TOD Matches

10. "Sick" Nick Mondo vs. Zandig - TOD 2 Semi-Final

This match needs to be watched at least once just for the Mother F'n bomb off the building, which is one of the biggest bumps in wrestling history. Sure, the whole match revolves around that one bump but if there's ever one match that should be remembered for a single moment, it's this one.

9. Drake Younger vs. JC Bailey vs. LOBO - TOD 5 Quarter-Final

Even though the ending of this sucked, this is a very memorable match with it being both Drake's CZW debut and LOBO's only TOD appearance. The barbed-wire spiderweb spots were awesome, and the deathmatch action was top-notch until BLK-out interfered to take out LOBO.

8. Drake Younger vs. Danny Havoc - TOD 11 Semi-Final

2 of CZW's best going at it in an awesome match. This one felt like a throwback to the golden age of CZW and the ending sequence was perfect.

7. MASADA vs. Masashi Takeda - TOD 10 Final

Probably the best finals TOD has had in the past 6 years. Great action that had a Big Japan feel to it. Much like the previous entry, this match had an amazing ending.

6. JC Bailey vs. Chris Cash - TOD 3 Quarter-Final

This one feels even more special now that both wrestlers are no longer alive. Chris Cash never wrestled an actual deathmatch prior to this and he showed that he could hold his own in an ultraviolent match. Each bump was high-impact and the match was amazing.

5. Zandig vs. Eddie Kingston and Robbie Mireno - TOD 4 Quarter-Final

One of the more surprising matches I've ever seen. This one not only had astounding deathmatch action but also a story as Joker came out to help Zandig against his former stable BLK-Out. One of the very, very few times CZW combined wrestling and storyline successfully.

4. Thumbtack Jack vs. DJ Hyde - TOD 8 Quarter-Final

One of the most memorable matches in TOD as well as Thumbtack Jack's only TOD he competed in (excluding TOD Rewind). Witnessing this match live was amazing. Nothing could prepare you for the syringe and cinderblock spots. To my knowledge this was the first CZW match involving syringes and I think it was the first one with cinderblocks. Seeing both of them come into play for the first time was unreal.

3. Necro Butcher vs. Zandig - TOD 6 Quater-Final

The fascinating thing about this match is that it wasn't even suppose to happen. Necro was suppose to be facing someone else but they weren't able to show so Zandig came out to take his place. This has gotta be among the 10 best no-rope barbed-wire matches ever. These 2 just absolutely tore into each other in true CZW fashion. Definitely a must-watch.

2. Wifebeater vs. "Sick" Nick Mondo - TOD 1 Final

The finals of the first TOD embodies everything that TOD stands for. Insanely violent and bloody; with a ton of glass, salt, and a weedwhacker to top it all off. The ending is to this day one of the most iconic moments in deathmatch wrestling.

1. Sexxxy Eddy vs The Arsenal - TOD 3 Semi-Final

This match is truly something else. In it we literally see the evolution of a deathmatch wrestler. When the match began the entire crowd hated Eddy's guts, but when it ended they were all chanting his name. The crowd did have a huge part in making this a legendary match. When Eddy cut his artery and the blood squirted out, the crowd went absolutely crazy. Not only that but the entire match was absolutely incredible. If there's any deathmatch fan that hasn't watch this match yet, please do yourself a favor and check it out as soon as you can!
 
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#885 · (Edited)
Grodzki's Shitty Top 10 Greatest CZW Matches

The matches that defined what the black and gold is about.



10.) The Briscoe Brothers vs. Johnny Kashmere & Justice Pain "What About Lobo" (7/28/01)

Coming in at number 10 is a pretty classic tag match between The Briscoes and Kashmere & Pain. These four tore it down, psychology, ring work, everything. Solidified the Briscoes as main event talent, that Jay Driver to Pain sealed the deal. While I'm no big fan of the Briscoes, and think Pain is a dick for what he did to Necro at CoDVII, I think this match is absolutely fantastic. Shame Kashmere wasn't working with Acid for this one, I think it would've been pretty great. Always fantastic to see John House and Eric Gargiulo call non-deathmatch wrestling too, those two are CRIMINALLY underrated announcers, and I love them.


9.) The H8 Club & John Zandig vs. The Tough Crazy Bastards & Joker "Cage of Death VII: Living in Sin" (12/10/05)​
This was an absolute clusterfuck of insanity, pun intended there Mr. Klein. When you have certified deathmatch legends all in the ring at once, especially when they were all in "their primes", it tends to lend to absolute batshit antics. Back body drops through panes of glass, tables and spiderweb nets of barbed wire. Great dynamics of the five minutes of 2v1 for either team depending on the drawing of the next fighter. Toby Klein, in my opinion, was always underrated and overshadowed by Necro. Of course, Necro is an absolute legend and superb brawler, I just think Toby, and their tag team, should've gone farther and been bigger too. Zandig throwing Joker off the "scaffold" through the flaming tables was a awesome finish to the match, and great send off for Joker. Eric Gargiulo's call that Dewey Donovan was having a gasoline orgasm had me nearly pissing myself. That shoot moment after Gage threw a ladder into the ring, hitting Necro in the head and legitimately knocking him silly, Justice Pain went for an Angle Slam variation on NB, but he was so fucked up that he "sandbagged" him, unwillingly I add again, a few times but Pain just decides to dump Necro on his head outside on the concrete. After a moment of recovery, Necro is pissed, jumps in the ring and legitimately stomps and punches him in the corner, shooting hard, with Eric Gargiulo's classic line "NECRO BUTCHER HAS COME ALIVE." All in all, unforgettable match, an all time great. Gallons of blood here from all six men

8.) MASADA vs. Jun Kasai "CZW at Wrestlecon" (4/5/2013)​

One of my personal favorite matches here, with MASADA and Kasai both being in my personal top five all time, showed more mainstream audiences how exactly incredible and breathtaking technical deathmatch wrestling. Two men with incredible chemistry, insane fortitudes and imaginable amounts of shed blood fought at the Wrestlecon convention, showing everyone what the fuck CZW is about. Gusset plates, panes of glass, barbed wire, Jun's face almost getting ripped off, a motivated MASADA are a great combination for a ferocious, nearly stomach churning test of survival. There is some truly good technical, chain wrestling here, in bits and pieces, interspersed with some fucking sick spots. As big as the spots are here, glad that they built up to them with real psychology and ring work, and in turn it pays off well as an end result and as a build through the work to the next spot. Unreal match, truly a spectacle. Kasai is one of a kind, and MASADA is the best deathmatch wrestler in America, period.

7.) Sami Callihan vs. Danny Havoc "Cage of Death XI" (12/09/2009)​

While this might not be one everybody's list for matches that defined CZW, to me it certainly is. At this point in CZW, the "glory days" of many CZW deathmatch legends were starting to fade away, here and there small vestiges of carnage surviving, until this main event. This is where the next generation of deathmatch wrestlers began for me, because before this Callihan and Havoc were just a couple of young boys, as Zandig put it. They really went berserk in this one, car glass, panes, the cafe, everything. Callihan was a fucking nut in this match, and Havoc looked like a resilient, scrappy badass who slipped up at the last, most crucial moment. Was cool seeing Necro make the save too at the end. That last spot for the final pin was absolutely bananas too, not to mention. Sami and Daniel Tiberius Havoc really kicked the shit out of each other, and I think helped propel both to main event status, as well as solid hands in the DM scene. Of course Havoc won the prior years ToD, but I like to see this as the complement to that tournament which began his ascent to top dog for CZW in the years to follow. Fantastic main event, starting a new generation, that everyone should check out.


6.) Sick Nick Mondo & Jun Kasai vs. Justice Pain & Johnny Kashmere "(Un F'n Believable" (04/14/2001)​

In all honesty, when I first thought of the list, this was the first that came to mind. The entire event was christened "Un F'n Believable" simply because of the sheer insanity of this match, where Kasai practically became a god. This match was light tube heaven, spot heaven and plasma heaven. Sick Nick Mondo is a fantastic deathmatch / high flying hybrid, the quintessential hybrid if you will allow, and he always had fantastic matches with anyone, never mind solid hands like Pain and Kashmere. These four kicked the living shit out of each other. Most famous of all was the crucifix powerbomb of Kasai to the outside through lighttube boards that completely shredded his elbow to pieces, bone, muscle, skin and all. Not to mention his back was a mess, they had the video of the post match clean up on Youtube up until about a year or so ago, but it got taken down. This match is online in its' entirety and in good quality too, just have to look for it. This match is supremely important in that it ushered in the "ultraviolence" that CZW labeled itself as, as the deathmatch scene exploded with the ToD's popularity. Without Kasai taking the crucifix powerbomb, or his backs' color, or Mondo/Pain/Kashmere combining a high impact, high flying style of deathmatch wrestling, I don't think we have the popularity, or even creation of Tournament of Death. Sure, they did deathmatches before this, but none so arguably spot-heavy or color-laden. Truly incredible stuff, have to see it to believe it.

5.) MASADA vs. Ryuji Ito "Down with the Sickness" (09/10/2011)​

Another MASADA match, another CZW classic, this time with BJW mainstay and legend, Ryuji Ito. They had fought prior in BJW, with some gnarly results and cuts to show for it. Here's another newer deathmatch to add to the list, this one at a time when MASADA was just beginning to be a SERIOUS animal and main attraction in the Combat Zone. These two beat the living snot out of the other, stiff exchanges, sick spots and a NASTY dive off a HUGE ladder. Seriously, If I ever want to show a buddy newer CZW that still has an edge, this is my go-to. This is what the fuck the black and gold was, and is, about. Two dudes, giving their ALL, bleeding their ALL, and fighting to the last breath. Absolute classic match. Nothing else to say, other than that. WATCH IT.

4.) Ruckus vs. Trent Acid "Cage of Death III" (12/15/2001)​

By now you must be thinking, damn Grodzki has some crazy entries here for this list, but I kid you not these are the ones I'm pulling for. CZW is known for two things, insane deathmatches and all around fantastic wrestling. These two had a hell of a match, two phenomenal hands in their primes doing what they do best and pulling out all the stops in a wild match. Some fun run ins here and little spots that make this match one of those you just enjoy watching with bated breath. Any match worthy of an entire arena chanting "CZDUB" is wonderful in my book, and this one is a prime example. CoD 3 was the biggest event in CZW history, hot off the heels of the closing of ECW, and in the ECW arena. Hundreds were turned away from attending this card, the pressure was on for the boys to deliver. Check this one out, it's on YT, and you can get it on SMV too. A fantastic watch, and a solid choice to show people who think CZW is all garbage.

3.) Mike Quackenbush vs. B-Boy vs. Kevin Steen vs. Super Dragon "Best of the Best V" (05/14/2005)​

The final of the fifth annual Best of the Best competition saw arguably four of the best wrestlers in the world at the time go at it in a four way dance. The order of elimination isn't what you're probably expecting it to be as you read it, and as such you should totally check it out just for the suspense. If I recall, this was the first year the BOTB was open-weight class, and that this final happened well after midnight, even though the crowd was HOT as hell for this one. Absolute frenetic pace here, and crazy exchanges. Best of the Best used to be a world class junior heavyweight tournament, but the 2005 edition showed it could be pretty open to all weight classes and still perform at an internationally acclaimed level. This is definitely the best BOTB final to date, lets me wonder if the tournament will ever reach the same heights of glory, with the same level of acclaimed names and prestige it once held.

2.) John Zandig vs. The Wifebeater "Night of Infamy 2002" (11/09/2002)​

Just as if I want to show friends the wrestling side with the Ruckus/Acid or BOTB Final matches, I can just as easily show them this match for the ultraviolence side as this is a stalwart entry in the annals of CZW's bloodsoaked history. The match is officially an NRBWFBTW Squared Circle of Fear I Quit Match, and if that isn't a mouthful of words, it sure as hell makes up for it with mouthfuls of blood. Weedwhackers, salt, fire, balcony dives, chairs, barbed wire, rubber chickens, John House screaming "SAWMWAN CAWHLL 911" all contribute to this bloodbath. Not to mention, the crowd going bananas and the "Athletic Director" ending the match. For the life of me, I just am enthralled at the lengths Zandig and Wifebeater go to, they're close friends I may add, to see who can last in their fight and flight to Hell. What a way for Wifebeater to go out too (for as long as it lasted, he really needed that shoulder surgery). The salt in the back as he weedwhacks Zandig and everyone is just shouting "Oh!!" with the airhorn is an image I won't forget. So many unforgettable spots in this one. Pure, brutal, barebones deathmatch wrestling at its' most gritty, base, and honest.

1.) Sick Nick Mondo & The Wifebeater vs. Necro Butcher & Toby Klein "Ultraviolent Freedom of Expression" (09/14/2002)​

And this is what the Combat Zone is truly about, right here. Four CERTIFIED legends in the indy scene, and the Combat Zone, who go out and deliver a slobberknocker of a main event. You have the two brawlers in Necro and Toby, the brutish tank in Wifebeater and the high flying hybrid phenom in Sick Nick Mondo. This match was spot after spot, which I have no problem with and love, and at the end of the day, it really shone through as CZW coming to life. Two CZW names in the Beater and Mondo, against two IWA fellas in Klein and Necro fought hard and put on a show for fans. CZW always seemed to bring in boys from feds all over the world to give them a chance to shine,and Zandig should be commended for that, as this was before the fantastic IWA-MS and CZW feud, that he brought in two of Ian's boys for a main event match against two of his best. And man, did they kick the living shit out of each other. An exorbitant amount of light tubes, carpet strips, barbed wire and leaking plasma is on show here, as we all know what animals Klein, Necro and Wifebeater can be; and Mondo's brilliance shines through as it always do. The Combat Zone, the black and gold, was, and is, about heart, about fighting to the last man, to the last breath, with that last shred of fight left in you. This match seems most great to me because of that; four legends TRULY in their primes giving John House and Eric Gargiulo heart palpitations every ten seconds with another memorable moment. Bleed on.

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I'm sure you guys are going to tear me apart for the list, but hell, these are the ones I really think capture the spirit of the Combat Zone. And really, isn't any match called by House and Gargiulo a classic???

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Deliberately left out ToD matches, as a separate list for that will be made, ASAP.

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While in recent years, CZW has strayed from promoting death matches a bit more prominently, as they still get the occasional "glorified garbage" label from ignorant critics, its' my belief that they have more than readily dismissed that notion as farcical. Their cards back then and now have always been a wide variety of scientific, comedy, hardcore, tag team and deathmatch wrestling matches. It's my hope and belief that not only have people begun giving CZW the credit and recognition it deserves, but that people will from now on not shit on the Combat Zone for hosting deathmatches in general, sure they're bloody and a tad offsetting to normal folk, but there is true substance in the deathmatches that CZW hold. They don't throw around deathmatches constantly willy-nilly like IWA-DS or the smaller feds, or do absolute insane spotfest with no-name talent. The deathmatches they have tell stories of psychology, history and have damn good ring work to boot (most of the time). I enjoy and love watching deathmatches, because they are akin to Japanese Puro in the sense of the spirit of a man and his beating heart all that matter, and as well because the deathmatch scene is a lot more realistic and visually pleasing than the choreographed, soft hitting and often fake looking mainstream sports entertainment industry.

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Let's see what you have @sXeMope :D
 
#897 ·
Those are the DVDs.

I first encountered CZW when they used a bunch of their matches for the "Best of Deathmatch Wrestling" DVDs that would get put out. The CZW one had a bunch of TOD matches and 3 Cage of Death matches.

Here's the one:

http://www.highspots.com/p/15311.html

I mean look at this damn match listing:

Nick Gage vs. Necro Butcher
Wifebeater vs. Necro Butcher
Madman Pondo vs. Wifebeater
Sexxxy Eddie vs. Arsenal
Wifebeater vs. Sick Nick Mondo
MadMan Pondo vs. Toby Klein
Zandig vs. Necro Butcher vs. Nick Gage special referee Gypsy Joe
Cage of Death Fans Bring The weapons Nate Hatred & Nick Gage vs. Justice Pain & Wifebeater
Cage of Death War Games: Eddie Kingston, Jack Evans, Ruckus & Sabian vs. Sexxxy Eddy, JC Bailey, Nate Webb & Chri$ Ca$h
Cage Of Death - Joker, Necro Butcher & Toby Klein vs. Zandig, Nick Gage & Justice Pain
I think all or all but one are from TODs and have some crazy stipulation.

I bought the DVD when I was like 15 and couldn't believe what I was seeing.


My first live encounter with CZW was when I visited a friend in Philadelphia. We had a couple of wild nights in a row and my friend had to leave my midnight on Saturday. I did a quick google search and saw that there was a CZW show that night with a "Fans Bring the Weapons" main event. This was right after I showed my friend the DVD that I was just talking about above and they wanted to go. It ended up being the show with the Osirian Portal doing the hypnotism that went viral. And then the main event was insane.

A year later I was going to school in Philadelphia for 2 years and got to see around a dozen, maybe more, CZW shows in person.
 
#900 ·
Both of you make fantastic lists IMO. Personally I hate trying to make lists where I describe my picks because I feel like I'm not good enough at describing them, whereas you guys make lists that you would expect to see on some kind of "professional" website.


Was Abdullah Kobayashi really the first Japanese guy in TOD? I never really thought about it but I thought there were some before him. His match with Gage was great though. The clip of him getting the kenzans taken out after the match was probably one of the more disturbing things I've seen.

No love for the Ultraviolent Rumble from TOD 4? Always like that match. Wish they did another, though I completely understand why. That's an IWA Deep South thing these days (Except the guys there have even less training).


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The first names for TOD were announced at CZW this past Saturday.

DJ Hyde
Rickey Shane Page
Danny Havoc
Alex Colon

First match is Alex Colon vs. Danny Havoc in a Light Tube Deathmatch. Colon has done some deathmatch stuff in Rockstar Pro and he stepped up when needed so I'm more open to this than I would have been had I not seen that. Pretty blah lineup so far though. Personally I hate DJ being in it because he's the promoter. Zandig did it but that was Zandig and Zandig gave no fucks. DJ Hyde comes out to start the show out of character as the nice guy who's running a show at his parents' farm and hopes everyone has fun, and then for the rest of the show he's DEEJ. Not a fan of that. I hope they bring in some fresh faces to round out the tournament. Most will probably have a million other guys they'd rather see, but personally I want to see them bring in Viking from IWS. He's a small guy, but he can go and I feel like he would be one of those guys who would come out to a "Who the fuck is this guy!?" reaction an leave to "Please Come Back!" chants.
 
#939 · (Edited)
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/yakuza/2016/04/28/the-ultraviolent-icon-john-fn-zandig-1

Interview with Zandig. Talks a lot about CZW and presumably his upcoming show. I'[m listening to it right now and he has some less than flattering things to say about DJ. Really not surprised.

Edit: for anyone who doesn't want to spend two hours listening to it, here are some notes that I feel somewhat noteworthy..

- It sounds like his tournament isn't a one-off.
- Says he believes that Nick Gage will be out of jail by September.

Speaking of his upcoming show. I haven't been following news super closely over the last week or so but apparently Janela/Zandig will feature some deathmatch weapons, and Scot Summers/Joker was announced. Matches like that are the reason the term "Strong Style" exists.

Bryant Woods vs. Masada was announced as well, can't remember if I posted that or not. That should be good. Hope Woods isn't a twat in the ring like Spidar Boodrow was with Masada back at Masters Of Pain 2012, hahahahahaha.
 
#1,002 ·
Watched this last night. The first half of it was a DJ Hyde suckfest tbh. Made it seem as if it's a one man operation and he edits all the shows and creates all the DVDs himself in his bedroom. I'm sure Highspots, SMV, and the team of editors he has really liked that. It was okay overall though.

Worth noting: Zandig appeared at the last GCW show, and I read that he said GCW was home now and he felt weird in the CZW locker room. Guess that Zandig/DEEJUS feud is officially dead. Side note but GCW is quietly creeping into the "Must see" list of promotions IMO. I feel like over the last 6 months or so, they've been putting on some great shows with guys who aren't really used in a lot of places.

Glad to hear Nicky is free.
 
#1,042 ·
Dare I say I have a few lists to share, if you're interested. CZW has truly been the most underrated indy fed, since its inception.
 
#2 ·
NOI vs Naptown in COD. Id love to see xOMGx back. Also Danny and Devon vs Scotty and Drake in Tangled Web. I like this years line up. Gacy is good enough in deathmatches and Lucky is terribly underrated in them. Also like that MASADA isnt in it.
 
#7 ·
Overall, a lackluster lineup on paper IMO. Don't mind Masada not being in because he doesn't need to be in it and it gives someone else a chance to shine. Sucks to hear about his injury though, I was looking forward to Masada/Crist at Proving Grounds. Hopefully it doesn't keep him out for too long.


Anyone know anything about Tsukamoto? I've honestly never heard of him until now, but he's Japanese and the Japanese are usually crazy motherfuckers so I'll keep an open mind.
 
#54 · (Edited)
Listening to the Mike & Tom Show w/ DJ Hyde. DJ said this may be the last TOD because it's not as profitable as it used to be...

While this news kind of bums me out, I doubt it's true. CZW not doing TOD would be like WWE not doing Wrestlemania.


Also, he said he was in The Arena just before he left for Japan/Europe, and it's still stripped down, and still quite a way away from being able to host anything. He also said that Roger wants, and has the backing to, turn it into a concert hall. DJ says he doubts that indy wrestling will ever be back in there.
 
#83 ·
Btw, how the hell are they going to play out the Nation/Dragons feud now when Drake's out of the deathmatch genre? I hope they use it in the storyline, i.e. Havoc and Co. start mocking him for "being a pussy" and shit, provoking him, and then Drake decides to work one last deathmatch.
 
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#87 ·
They're kinda doing that right now with the "Drake being sober" thing, but add that to the mix and it'd be even better. I for one would probably love it.

Dragons definitely need a third member tho, and as DieHard is a longshot, xOMGx would do just fine. For what I've seen of him he wasn't too bad.
Btw whatever happened between DieHard Dustin Lee and Drake? Weren't they pretty tight back in the day?

Drake, Vortekz & xOMGx vs. Lucky, Havoc & Devon at Cage of Death 15. Book it.

Ohh and Pick Your Poison match between AR Fox and Alex Colon set for New Heights.
 
#120 · (Edited)
I've said it many times, I feel like CZW is looked down upon because of things that happened in it's infancy. Zandig/Mondo off the roof, Wifebeater's weedwhacker, Zandig hanging from meat hooks. They see that and assume CZW is garbage, but that stuff has no reflection on the current product. IMO CZW has one of the deepest rosters on the indies. They've also produced a lot of stars, although a lot of people seem to ignore that. Mox and Sami are looked at as "DGUSA guys", but CZW gave them their shot long before they did dark matches for Gabe. Same goes for Adam Cole who's a "ROH guy" who was trained in the CZW academy. Not to mention how many people gained a lot of name value after competing for them.

I also hope that Busick can break away from The Front eventually. I hope Eric Corvis is another one of those guys who has a successful CZW career once The Front runs it's course. Honestly I've never seen him in a singles match, but I seen a Beyond Showcase on an ISW show, and his NPWD match and he's certainly captured my eye as a guy I want to see more of.
 
#121 ·
It's amazing how CZW went from a company I would never touch to a company I follow almost-religiously. I think a lot of people have moved away from the notion that CZW is nothing but a hardcore blood and guts no talented indy promotion. It seems as if many wrestlers themselves are willing to work for the company as well.

I remember when I first discovered CZW the roster was nothing but guys who did deathmatch stuff and when they tried to wrestling it was really sloppy. But since then a lot of talented guys have come out of CZW. For whatever reason it was, CZW became the place to work. Guys like Adam Cole, Jon Moxley, Sami Callihan all helped to lift CZW's image imo. They were all CZW guys. And they didn't mind working for the company despite its reputation. In the end, they did a lot of good for the company because CZW attracts a lot of talented workers nowadays.

I agree with Mope, that the company does get looked down upon because of the shit it did during its early days. Quite frankly, they deserve to get looked down upon because the stuff these guys did were really stupid. But within the last 5 years or so, CZW just did a complete 180. It's one of the bets indy companies if you ask me. Although, I'm not going to lie, their shows can still be huge misses. Still, the level of talent this company attracts it's unfair for fans to still brand them the company for guys who can't work.
 
#204 ·
The Portal showing up is always great, though I do wish they were facing a better team. Beyond Showcase will be solid but I don't know if they're going to get anyone to care in that building. And wasn't Shanna supposed to be making her debut on the ippv, so it'll either be her or probably DJ himself to further yet another DJ boss vs. wrestler feud that no one wants.
 
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#302 ·
I'm trying.

I'm wondering if I order it again that they will refund me from the first time... but on the other hand I don't want to risk it failing twice.
They should have someone by the phones when a PPV is in progress. That's messed up.

I think you'd be alright but I'd hate to steer you wrong. You don't know how long it would take to get a hold of them, and if you can't I don't think ten bucks would be enough motivation for you to take legal action.

I know it sucks, but I recommend waiting for the VOD. Not what you planned but better safe than sorry.

Sorry about that bro, happened to me once, know it sucks.
 
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