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How is there serious discussion about a wrestling boom period that mentions something called "TCW" which I have legitimately never heard of outside of this board and doesn't have it's own Wikipedia page and not even a slight mention of WWE and how it's doing (It just posted it's single most profitable day in it's history/wrestling history.)

Also no, the industry in America can only boom if a company rises up to WWE's level. That's never going to happen again, so no more booms.

If you haven't heard of TCW, you are missing out. It's a southern promotion that is really picking up steam, turning some heads, and making waves. They just signed their first international deal, and promise more to come. If you are looking for a wrestling boom, keep an eye in TCW.


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Re: Are We In For A Wrestling Boom?

There will not be a boom, ROH is about to be raided of a lot of talent once again.
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Re: Are We In For A Wrestling Boom?

I hope so because i've never been less interested in Pro Graps since I became a fan.

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Re: Are We In For A Wrestling Boom?

Wrestling has a huge advantage over MMA in the fact that you can see a star perform every week. Yes, MMA is tremendously popular and "real", but you can only see your favorite fighter fight at most once every three or four months. Unless UFC comes out with lots of unique, quickly produced TV surrounding top fighters, they have zero chance of competing in that aspect with wrestling. I don't think fans have to either be wrestling fans or MMA fans. There's enough people and money out there to support both industries.

The problem with wrestling now is that the industry has to reinvent itself again (as others have said), which it has been done countless times in the past. If you look at tapes from different decades, there's dramatic changes in all sorts of avenues.

Personally, I think the thing that needs to happen is for the industry to move away from the big men if they can't wrestle a fast-paced athletic style of match. Today people love great athletes; Robert Griffin III, Michael Phelps, Mike Trout, etc. Using great in-ring wrestlers as the foundation for the new product is a good start. I'm not just talking about X-Division style matches either.

Then make the actual product and storylines more realistic. Some people have said wrestling shouldn't try to be "fake MMA" and I agree, but wrestling can take a lot of the way companies like UFC produce their product and use it in the wrestling world. Well produced vingettes and backstage promos, etc. Brining a seriousness and respect to the product.

Wrestling needs to mirror society to grow, that's precisely what it did during the last boom period. Along with having a handful of performers who are really over, are household names and have mainstream appeal. There's a difference between just making the product better for wrestling fans and having a "boom" period - bringing in non-wrestling fans. Lots of things have to happen, everything has to be hitting on all cylinders and lots of luck need to be involved for that boom to happen.

Personally, I think the next chance we have for a boom period will happen when Vince hands over the reigns to Stephanie and Triple H - and when Dixie brings in someone different to run the wrestling side of her company. I'm not saying Stephanie, Triple H or whoever Dixie brings in will be amazing but it will finally be a new direction. Right now everything is stagnant and slowing declining. Someone new with different ideas needs to be brought in or appointed to lead the top companies into a new era, and the indy promotions will follow suit.
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Re: Are We In For A Wrestling Boom?

I think MMA has an advantage because you cant get tired of guys as quickly. I think all the shows should be cut down to 60-90 minutes
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Re: Are We In For A Wrestling Boom?

Reading these posts, you know what all these Indy promotions have in common?

Management isn't related to the old WCW/NWA promotions.

This is the new breed of owners and bookers.. And that might be the biggest difference maker.

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Wrestling has a huge advantage over MMA in the fact that you can see a star perform every week. Yes, MMA is tremendously popular and "real", but you can only see your favorite fighter fight at most once every three or four months. Unless UFC comes out with lots of unique, quickly produced TV surrounding top fighters, they have zero chance of competing in that aspect with wrestling. I don't think fans have to either be wrestling fans or MMA fans. There's enough people and money out there to support both industries.

The problem with wrestling now is that the industry has to reinvent itself again (as others have said), which it has been done countless times in the past. If you look at tapes from different decades, there's dramatic changes in all sorts of avenues.

Personally, I think the thing that needs to happen is for the industry to move away from the big men if they can't wrestle a fast-paced athletic style of match. Today people love great athletes; Robert Griffin III, Michael Phelps, Mike Trout, etc. Using great in-ring wrestlers as the foundation for the new product is a good start. I'm not just talking about X-Division style matches either.

Then make the actual product and storylines more realistic. Some people have said wrestling shouldn't try to be "fake MMA" and I agree, but wrestling can take a lot of the way companies like UFC produce their product and use it in the wrestling world. Well produced vingettes and backstage promos, etc. Brining a seriousness and respect to the product.

Wrestling needs to mirror society to grow, that's precisely what it did during the last boom period. Along with having a handful of performers who are really over, are household names and have mainstream appeal. There's a difference between just making the product better for wrestling fans and having a "boom" period - bringing in non-wrestling fans. Lots of things have to happen, everything has to be hitting on all cylinders and lots of luck need to be involved for that boom to happen.

Personally, I think the next chance we have for a boom period will happen when Vince hands over the reigns to Stephanie and Triple H - and when Dixie brings in someone different to run the wrestling side of her company. I'm not saying Stephanie, Triple H or whoever Dixie brings in will be amazing but it will finally be a new direction. Right now everything is stagnant and slowing declining. Someone new with different ideas needs to be brought in or appointed to lead the top companies into a new era, and the indy promotions will follow suit.
Now that much is true, but I think there are a lot of other candidate promotions also.

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Reading these posts, you know what all these Indy promotions have in common?

Management isn't related to the old WCW/NWA promotions.

This is the new breed of owners and bookers.. And that might be the biggest difference maker.
True and hopefully so.
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More negative comments from the IWC. I'm shocked. Amazing Champ, a boom could be sparked from any of the promotions you mentioned. What the catalyst will be is hard to say. Seems every 10-15 years the business recycles or reinvents itself somehow & becomes mainstream again. I personally think that the boom will come from the south. NWA Smokey Mountain & TCW have been drawing larger crowds than the coastal promotions, which is very impressive, especially when you consider that they run their shows in areas that are not nearly as populated as NY, LA, Philly, ect. Plus they don't get 1/10 of the coverage online that ROH, Dragongate, Chikara, or even Championship Wrestling from Hollywood receive. TCW tapes their shows in Fort Smith @ the same convention center TNA runs a house show every year & they out draw TNA! While the wrestling in ROH is good, the fact that they are exclusive to Sinclair prevents them from getting a deal with a major cable network. I think another boom will take place if/when one of the promotions you mentioned gets a national cable deal in a primetime slot.
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Even if all the stars fall in alignment, and wrestling suddenly gets a spark in talent and product, it doesn't mena business will boom again. Society's moved on past wrestling. It's a surprise the product has even lasted so long since the Attitude Era.
I was shocked at a Combat Analyst post making sense. Up until the last sentence which might be the stupidest post in a thread full of shockingly stupid posts. You thought pro wrestling would die after the Attitude Era? That might be the stupidest thing I have ever read on here. Ever. First of pro wrestling is an industry filled with many product variations. You expected pro wrestling to cease to exist? Not sure how WWE would have vanished after seeing off WCW and ECW and even if they did there would be other pro wrestling promotions all over the world. The only way the industry dies all together is when literally not one person wants to see pro wrestling anymore. And you thought that would happen after the attitude era?
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Nope. It's a dying industry and will continue to decline.

The internet is largely to blame for that.
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I think so. For the first time since Ecw, wwe isn't the best promotion. Icw, metro pro and Portland wrestling uncut are all better. Other people might name you promotions that they like. Pro wrestling guerilla and tcw have good reps.

Perhaps most important of all, TNA has turned a corner, even of it's not great.


It might take 5 years for things to catch fire but I think we have a solid foundation in all these promotions.
Being the best promotion has nothing to do with this. Literally, nothing. WWE could be the worst wrestling promotion around and they'd still control nearly all of the wrestling industry. It's impossible to compete with them right now unless you have prime time national TV and a crazy amount of financial backing. And even then you'd need a Floyd Mayweather esque talent to get people to pay to see them and the promotion. Come back when your favourite youtube promotion has that type of talent. Spoiler: you'll be waiting an awfully long time. The Independents have next to no impact in determining if there's a pro wrestling boom. Unless you have an exceedingly low definition of the word "boom".
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How is there serious discussion about a wrestling boom period that mentions something called "TCW" which I have legitimately never heard of outside of this board and doesn't have it's own Wikipedia page and not even a slight mention of WWE and how it's doing (It just posted it's single most profitable day in it's history/wrestling history.)

Also no, the industry in America can only boom if a company rises up to WWE's level. That's never going to happen again, so no more booms.
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You made yourself kinda sound like a mark.
Bad post.

See the difference? He makes sense and explains his reasoning. You don't.

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If you haven't heard of TCW, you are missing out. It's a southern promotion that is really picking up steam, turning some heads, and making waves. They just signed their first international deal, and promise more to come. If you are looking for a wrestling boom, keep an eye in TCW.


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Reading these posts, you know what all these Indy promotions have in common?

Management isn't related to the old WCW/NWA promotions.

This is the new breed of owners and bookers.. And that might be the biggest difference maker.

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Re: Are We In For A Wrestling Boom?

Seabs laying the hammer down. Too many stupid posts on this thread.



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