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Old 04-18-2013, 10:21 PM   #21 (permalink)
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I'd like to see that video, then. Steiners are pretty notorious for their bullying of younger guys when they feel they aren't doing what they want done. Rick got embarrassed, that's what I mean by he reversed the situation easily.
It's at the end of one of the Secrets of the Ring with Raven DVDs, I think it was from an FIP show but I could be wrong.

I don't think Rick got embarrassed. Vordell actually breaks the fourth wall during the match and starts hassling Steiner while he was brawling with Dustin Rhodes (who was Vordell's partner, it was a tag team match). From what Raven says in the interview, pretty much Vordell didn't talk to Rick, didn't introduce himself, pretty much didn't show respect when he should have considering Steiner's been around a long time.

The Steiner Brothers are both former amateur wrestlers, and while Scott is the more accomplished of the two I'd say Rick can still hold his own and based on the footage I saw, Walker struggled a little bit. The whole sequence looked ugly as hell and it was very unprofessional on Vordell's part. The story is pretty much Vordell didn't introduce himself or talk through anything with Rick before the match, then he wouldn't bump for Rick during the match so Rick shot on him, which is fair enough because what the fuck else is he supposed to do if Vordell won't sell anything? That's when Vordell shot on Rick and it just turned in to an ugly mess and then Dustin Rhodes tagged in and the match got back to normal. Then when Rick and Dustin are brawling outside the ring Vordell tries to shoot on Rick again then starts yelling out "that was bullshit" and acts totally unprofessional. I'm not surprised that he's back to being a nobody on the indies.
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Old 04-19-2013, 03:25 AM   #22 (permalink)
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Then I need to get my hands on that account, then. I've heard from other sources (Vordell being one) but not about the no-selling part.

As for not introducing himself, who cares? Does Rick think he's that big that another guy needs to dick-ride him before a match? Everyone has their own means of doing business, and mine would be to keep focused on my match and keep to myself. I wouldn't see it as a sign of disrespect at all. But, again, that's my perspective. Of course the in-ring stuff is completely different if true.
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Old 04-19-2013, 05:32 AM   #23 (permalink)
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As for not introducing himself, who cares? Does Rick think he's that big that another guy needs to dick-ride him before a match? Everyone has their own means of doing business, and mine would be to keep focused on my match and keep to myself. I wouldn't see it as a sign of disrespect at all. But, again, that's my perspective. Of course the in-ring stuff is completely different if true.
It's not about Rick thinking he's some big-shot, it's about respecting the people that came before you. Especially if you're working with the guy, it's etiquette to introduce yourself and talk over the match. According to Raven, Vordell had the promotor introduce him to Rick, then Rick sort of blew him off because he had no idea who he was and he wasn't aware that he was working him. So if Vordell had just gone up, shaken Rick's hand and introduced himself like anyone with half a brain and half an ounce of respect would, the whole incident probably would have been avoided.

Also, back to the original topic, I'm surprised nobody mentioned Ken Shamrock or Dan Severn before someone said Josh Barnett. Or even Taz.
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Well, Don Frye too, but I guess people tend to avoid legit fighting legends, and rightfully so.
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It's not about Rick thinking he's some big-shot, it's about respecting the people that came before you. Especially if you're working with the guy, it's etiquette to introduce yourself and talk over the match. According to Raven, Vordell had the promotor introduce him to Rick, then Rick sort of blew him off because he had no idea who he was and he wasn't aware that he was working him. So if Vordell had just gone up, shaken Rick's hand and introduced himself like anyone with half a brain and half an ounce of respect would, the whole incident probably would have been avoided.

Also, back to the original topic, I'm surprised nobody mentioned Ken Shamrock or Dan Severn before someone said Josh Barnett. Or even Taz.
I don't know where you get your info but this is a LIE. Vordell was blackballed over an incident that wasn't his fault. He's a pro. Anyone with half a brain knows Rick Steiner is just a point above being mentally challenged and has always liked to take liberties with opponents. This story was put out to discredit Vordell and cover Rick Steiner's ass. For the record, Vordell kicked Rick Steiner's ass TWICE and both were deserving. Raven is a lying POS who smart marks always believe who brags about not doing anything in a ring on indy shows and getting paid yet guys like you give him credit. Why don't you go answer phones for Rick Steiner and help him at his sale real estate in Georgia now that Vordell is the nobody!!!
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It's not about Rick thinking he's some big-shot, it's about respecting the people that came before you. Especially if you're working with the guy, it's etiquette to introduce yourself and talk over the match. According to Raven, Vordell had the promotor introduce him to Rick, then Rick sort of blew him off because he had no idea who he was and he wasn't aware that he was working him. So if Vordell had just gone up, shaken Rick's hand and introduced himself like anyone with half a brain and half an ounce of respect would, the whole incident probably would have been avoided.

Also, back to the original topic, I'm surprised nobody mentioned Ken Shamrock or Dan Severn before someone said Josh Barnett. Or even Taz.
Also, according to you Rick Steiner blew him off? WTF man...any man with a set of balls wouldn't take that from anyone...
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http://www.tupwrestlingforum.com/ric...topic4548.html

Here's an eyewitness account from the SECOND time Vordell Walker whipped Rick Steiner's ass!

Mike Mooneyham doesn't buy Raven's shit! And here Vordell is quoted as saying he introduced himself to Rick Steiner.

http://www.mikemooneyham.com/2005/06...to-ring-bully/

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Yeah I haven't heard many accounts quoting steiner as the ass kicker. But I heard many accounts stating walker whooped his ass not once but twice. The first time could of been a real beat down but WALKER CHOSE NOT to. I won't say Rick deserved it but for the whoopings he put on leroux and konnan I must say someone finally took no shit from him.

Credit where credit is due lads. Raven is probably just sticking up for Rick because the two go way back totally understandable. Similar to Maven sticking up for hardcore Holly and calling him great for business even though Holly has a history of being totally unprofessional.
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Old 04-21-2013, 10:41 PM   #30 (permalink)
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The fact that Mr. TCWfan has triple posted to try and make his point doesn't really convince me otherwise.

I'm not disputing whether or not Vordell Walker kicked Rick Steiner's ass. I'm saying that Vordell was out of line. Rick Steiner is a veteran, Vordell Walker is some indy chump and back in 2004 or 2005 when this incident happened, he was even more of a nobody. Going out and beating up the person you're supposed to be working with is unprofessional and I'm not surprised Walker got blackballed for it. Even if Steiner did go out of his way to pepper Vordell a bit, who gives a shit? If Vordell Walker is as big of a man as you claim he is, he would have taken it on the chin, gone backstage and shaken Rick's hand like a true professional. Instead he went in to business for himself, tried to get his bullshit shoot fighter gimmick by beating someone up for real and got a bad rep for it and rightfully so.

For the record, I'd t...t the story of a guy like Raven who was there and has been in the business for over 20 years (and been at the top of it for most of that time) and is someone I respect and admire than the word of some dirtsheet writer or the indy scrub that got blackballed from the incident.
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