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Old 04-02-2013, 04:00 AM   #11 (permalink)
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How can a company that has 5-6,000 fans hurt the business?
If the wrong person sees these shows, it can get massive media attention and it'll get exposed to sensitive people, then those people start generalising and thinking all wrestling is like this, then boom, places like WWE and TNA get fucked over big time by losses in views and sales.
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Old 04-02-2013, 04:19 AM   #12 (permalink)
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If the wrong person sees these shows, it can get massive media attention and it'll get exposed to sensitive people, then those people start generalising and thinking all wrestling is like this, then boom, places like WWE and TNA get fucked over big time by losses in views and sales.
So what? WWE and TNA never got fucked over because of CZW, XPW, WSX, etc. They get fucked over because they're run by idiots.
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TV shows are the best entertainment programmes like wrestling. My favourite TV show is RAW and SMACK DOWN. I specially like fight of Rey mysterio and Randy Ortan. It was very amazing fight with lots of stunt.
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Old 04-02-2013, 04:22 AM   #13 (permalink)
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There's also a strong difference between imitation and using the road already laid to create your own identity. The latter is something CZW did.

As for promotions imitating ECW hurting the business, I wouldn't go that far. I just think it's an easy market to use, and a quick buck for the promoter who is, otherwise, an uncreative, parasitic entity within wrestling. That said, do I think the legacy of ECW is being tarnished by all of these "ONE FINAL TIME!" events? Yeah, absolutely. The same could arguably said about Ric Flair. ECW had a great run, now leave the memories alone. Stop trying to make yourself relevant again by using an archaic promotional entity. The business has evolved and so, too, should its wrestlers. Douglas' guerrilla marketing campaign on Raw last year was an absolute joke and, I'm guessing by the reviews, the promotion is seen as one, too.

I'm not for denying someone in watching 2013 Sabu Vs 2013 Lynn, but if you're going to do so, don't leech off your past. That said, I don't think these promotions/events will ever be relevant enough to change the wrestling landscape. Violent wrestling (in its extreme forms) has been around for almost half a century. Most promotions now know the dangers and have learnt from their predecessors hence the move away from spamming suplexes, blading and high-impact moves in the higher feds. Aside from instances brought up by cases such as Benoit I don't see how wrestling will be devalued if there is a notable change in their approach. You have to remember, too, even CZW wrestlers are trained in what they do. While the moves look dangerous, they still execute them in a manner that causes as little pain as possible. They aren't (all) idiotic.

Body suspension is pretty safe and hygenic and has been practiced by many people. Youtube it and note the difference. Chalk that gruesome image up rather to Zandig's selling and the blood caused by blading (a pretty common entity in wrestling, that most seemingly yearn for in WWE).
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I don't think so. Not enough people witness it and if they're aware of it have no interest in it. They're different to ECW too, it takes a certain kind of human to be able to be one of those CZW/XPW/Death Match wrestlers...
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it takes a certain kind of human to be able to be one of those CZW/XPW/Death Match wrestlers...
A poor wrestling mark with no teeth, health insurance or future?

The garbage wrestling promotions hurt wrestling as a whole. The fans of these promotions make wrestling seem like it's still a carny act.
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I feel like everyone who shits on CZW, has never seen enough CZW to accurately judge. Go and watch a full show. Every time CZW is mentioned negatively, people bring up two things: Zandig/Meat Hooks, and the Mondo roof incident. CZW is more than meaningless violence.

First, their deathmatch workers are professional. The use of weapons has a purpose in the match and plays into it. They use weapons WITH the main offense, not AS the main offense. If you want to see true garbage, go hunt down any match involving Spidar Boodrow. Then watch a Masada match. Even Stevie Wonder could see that Masada, and guys like him, are far from overly violent, talentless, glorified backyarders.

Second, CZW has one of the most hybrid rosters in wrestling today. That guy in The Shield that everyone jacks off to? Yeah, the buzz around him began in CZW. Adam Cole, who many consider to be the next guy to head to Florida? Yeah, he trained in the CZW Wrestling Academy, and got his start in CZW. Sami Callihan is another guy who got his buzz in CZW, and many consider him to be high on WWE's Hit List. Sami and Dean also have a past in the deathmatch scene.

I feel like I've went on a rant here, but it really irritates me when people bash them without really watching the product. I'm not even a huge CZW fan anymore, but they're constantly shit on for things that happened 10 years ago. I don't think CZW tried to imitate ECW at all. They tried to imitate IWA Japan, and FMW. Both which existed, and did the things CZW did years later, while ECW was still Eastern Championship Wrestling/The very early Extreme Championship Wrestling days.

But on topic: I don't think anybody has ever really tried to imitate ECW and been successful. What they did was special. Overrated, but special. What really gets me are these promotions that book a bunch of ECW guys and attempt to give it a "rebirth". Those days are gone. What prime the guys did have, is long gone. Don't get me wrong, I respect what they did for the business, and respect them all, but nobody wants to see an ECW rebirth anymore. I was actually at a wrestling show on Saturday, and they booked Sabu. I met him at intermission and got a picture with him and everything, and watching him in the ring is amazing, Just knowing everything he's done in his career and whatnot, and admiring him as a kid and now being a few feet away from him (Literally, I was pushed out of the way because he threw his opponent into the crowd.), but I wouldn't pay money to see Sabu vs Raven, or Sabu vs Sandman in 2013. (Not on DVD anyways, in person maybe)


TL;DR: Watch CZW before judging on two incidents that happened a decade ago; fuck Shane Douglas.
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A poor wrestling mark with no teeth, health insurance or future?

The garbage wrestling promotions hurt wrestling as a whole. The fans of these promotions make wrestling seem like it's still a carny act.
Wrong. Shitty, delusional and out of mind promoters multi-millionaires hurt wrestling. Not some feds with four figure fanbases.
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it just hurts the hardcore aspect of this subculture to the point where no-one really cares about hardcore anymore
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it just hurts the hardcore aspect of this subculture to the point where no-one really cares about hardcore anymore
Hardcore fans still love hardcore promotions and a majority of this board wish WWE dropped its PG "gimmick" and re-introduced blood. So no.
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Hardcore fans still love hardcore promotions and a majority of this board wish WWE dropped its PG "gimmick" and re-introduced blood. So no.
after Hardcore Justice its almost a miracle anyone would care about ECw reunions ever again

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