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Old 01-25-2013, 11:26 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Wrestling brands like CZW and FMW are known for it's ultra violent deathmatch wrestling, but what are your opinions of it.

I love it, I think the wrestlers are real risk takers and put on some great shows.
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Old 01-25-2013, 12:15 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I wouldn't call some of them wrestlers, because everyone, who wrestle exclusively deathmatches usually have limited wrestling skills. I agree that they take high risk and sometimes I do enjoy it, but those guys usually can't wrestle.
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I've always liked hardcore/deathmatch wrestling. As a kid, my favorite matches were the hardcore matches. I remember I got Wrestlemania X7 for Christmas, and I must have watched the Raven/Big Show/Kane match like 6 times that day. I've always sorted deathmatch wrestlers into two category's. The "Old School" DM wrestlers, and the "New Generation" of DM wrestlers. The Old School guys would be guys like Necro Butcher, Zandig, Madman Pondo, Ian Rotten, Axl Rotten etc. who can't really wrestle a good straight match, and rely on weapons for the most part for their offense. "New Generation Guys" would be guys like Masada, Danny Havoc, Drake Younger, etc. (I've excluded BJW guys from the examples because they've always been wayyy ahead of the guys in the States) Guys who use weapons WITH their offense, not as their offense.

I think as a whole, Deathmatches are getting more respectable, but at the same time you have backyarders with no training being booked so promoters can have deathmatches and save money on talent, and have more "brutal" matches to "get their name out there" (Spidar Boodrow comes to mind. The John Rare/Spidar Boodrow SAW Deathmatches are an excellent example of how a deathmatch should NOT be done), and people are always looking back on stuff that happened years ago, like the Mondo/Jimmy truck spot, the Mondo/Zandig roof spot, and Zandig being hung by meat hooks. People look at it and assume that it's filled with talentless hacks who have no real wrestling ability, which may have been true 10 years ago, but it certainly isn't true these days. Unfortunately, It's guys like Boodrow who get attention by getting stabbed, or taking ridiculous, un-necessary bumps to get their name out there, which is successful for all the wrong reasons, while the professional, trained workers with hundreds of matches under their belt get labelled in the same category as these fucks. I feel this is the fault of the promoters, who keep booking these guys, as much as it is the fault of the reputation it earned in the early-mid 2000's (Mostly thanks to CZW).
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Its good shit for either being blow away crazy awesome of so bad it makes you laugh.
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Depends on the wrestlers but the stuff with heavy use of weaponry and little wrestling always gets low ratings from me.
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I like deathmatches as long as there is a logical structure to them. I usually only watch deathmatches from Big Japan Pro Wrestling and a few matches from Drake Younger and Necro Butcher.
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I've seen clips of CZW deathmatches but its pretty much pure garbage wrestling. Although i did dig some of the FMW and ECW deathmatches.
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It's a spectacle. That's really the only way I can describe it. I go to school in Philly and I've seen CZW live and in person numerous times and the death matches are unlike anything that I've ever seen in wrestling. Now I see everything I can live. I do Chikara shows, Wrestlemania, ROH, DGUSA, basically if it's a live wrestling show I want to see it. Death matches provide a unique experience that is a lot of fun to see live. I mean I've seen a panes of glass match where I was in the second row and I had to brush tiny glass shards out of my hair. I've seen guys do insane things not 10 feet away from me. I love seeing them in person. It's total insanity and if the guys manage to work in a compelling story with the violence then that's even better.

Japanese wrestling seems to have a lot more examples of how to use a death match to enhance the story and those are always fun to watch.

So yeah I'm a fan.
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It's a spectacle. That's really the only way I can describe it. I go to school in Philly and I've seen CZW live and in person numerous times and the death matches are unlike anything that I've ever seen in wrestling. Now I see everything I can live. I do Chikara shows, Wrestlemania, ROH, DGUSA, basically if it's a live wrestling show I want to see it. Death matches provide a unique experience that is a lot of fun to see live. I mean I've seen a panes of glass match where I was in the second row and I had to brush tiny glass shards out of my hair. I've seen guys do insane things not 10 feet away from me. I love seeing them in person. It's total insanity and if the guys manage to work in a compelling story with the violence then that's even better.

Japanese wrestling seems to have a lot more examples of how to use a death match to enhance the story and those are always fun to watch.

So yeah I'm a fan.
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Default Re: Opinions on Deathmatch wrestling.

One of the reasons I like CZW.

I feel they get unfairly bashed, because besides Tournament of Death most of the Ultraviolent stuff has a reason for happening. It's played up well in story, it's been made a part of the promotions identity and now you have guys like Drew Gulak who are completely opposed to it. It was fun tracing Masada's journey from a guy who was supposedly just a deathmatch guy to now being a guy who can legit go out there and wrestle when he needs to. The Deathmatch stuff is wild spectacle but can often be channeled into an interesting story if they do it right.

Somebody above brought up the Zandig meathook thing. It's funny how often people cite that, considering it wasn't even part of a match. It was an end of show angle that was supposed to make people go "Ugh, god. Disgusting." Unfortunately, most people decided they straight up hated the idea rather than the Hi-V.
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