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Old 01-19-2013, 02:15 PM   #11 (permalink)
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By that logic many would need to give the WWE Championship some credit too then.

For me the ROH World Championship doesn't even feel like the same belt once it got changed. As odd as that may sound I just don't buy it as being in held in the same regard like it used to be. Feels like it doesn't have the great linage behind it that it actually does. I stand by my opinion. It doesn't mean much of anything to me nowadays. Only to springboard talent at the top of the shows. That's about it.
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By that logic many would need to give the WWE Championship some credit too then.

For me the ROH World Championship doesn't even feel like the same belt once it got changed. As odd as that may sound I just don't buy it as being in held in the same regard like it used to be. Feels like it doesn't have the great linage behind it that it actually does. I stand by my opinion. It doesn't mean much of anything to me nowadays. Only to springboard talent at the top of the shows. That's about it.
Yeah, it doesn't feel the same, no question about it. Cornette, Davey and his reign killed it for this viewer. I was simply referring to the cumulative state of the title. Because of it's lineage and prestige, I'd say it's in a class of it's own. Past is past, but should not be ignored nor forgotten.
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True that. And I agree. I won't try to deny what that championship used to represent. Danielson's 2005 - 2006 title run still might be my favorite world championship reign I've ever seen.
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No Bryan or Daniels or AJ or Joe or Nigel or Low Ki then its pointless

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Yeah, it doesn't feel the same, no question about it. Cornette, Davey and his reign killed it for this viewer. I was simply referring to the cumulative state of the title. Because of it's lineage and prestige, I'd say it's in a class of it's own. Past is past, but should not be ignored nor forgotten.
no i think Roderick Strong's reign did the trick after like a dozen failed attempts

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It got to an all time low with Richards as champion. That reign really brought down the prestige of the title imo. Steen's reign has brought it back up a little but the lack of actual good feuds and storylines around it damages its importance.
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I was just asking the general opinion on things around here, I know how much personal respect I have for the ROH World Title and its lineage and believe me, its tremendous. Its just always nice to know what my forum brethren feel about it.
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A title can never lose respect/prestige. Look at WCW/WWE World Heavyweight title and yes I consider it to be the same. Hell, even WWE consider it the same linege, remember all those HHH Evolution promos? But to get back on point, that title went through hell and back, David Arquette,Russo,finger poke of doom but it will always be the "BIG GOLD BELT". Its the title every pro wrestler wants to have,more so than the WWE title.

In regards to ROH, if you are the ROH World Champion you are the king of the Indies. It always been that way. You know you are the top dog on the indy scene. And I know hardcore old ROH fans would say it meant more but NO in the real world it always meant you are the king of the indies. That will never change.

Look at the NWA World title, that been through hell too. But guess what, ask any wrestler in the business do they want to be the NWA heavyweight champion and they would say hell yeah.The Cabana/Adam Pearce thing that happen last year was all politics with the whole new owners thing, it had nothing to do with the title itself. It wasn't that long ago that TNA use the title to build its promotion.

Titles never lose prestige,however promotions and wrestlers do. Just because ROH is not entertaining like it used to be don't mean the title will lose prestige or respect.

Just look at the Stanley Cup. Even when the NHL popularity at an all time low, the Stanley Cup importance level in sports never drop.

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I'll always have respect for the ROH World Championship, it's one of 4 major championships I follow and personally recognize in the sport of pro wrestling and I'll always have respect for the title and the competitor who holds it. If you're a wrestler on the indy scene than your #1 goal is to become the ROH World Champion, that way you can be at the top of your craft with hopes to get picked up by WWE someday or to go over to Japan and compete for the IWGP Heavyweight Championship, if that isn't your goal than I guess you'd just be doing this for money and/or the fun of it (which is fine too).

The ROH World Championship will always be one of the top 2 or 3 titles in the sport of pro wrestling for me and I don't see that ever changing.
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A title can never lose respect/prestige. Look at WCW/WWE World Heavyweight title and yes I consider it to be the same. Hell, even WWE consider it the same linege, remember all those HHH Evolution promos? But to get back on point, that title went through hell and back, David Arquette,Russo,finger poke of doom but it will always be the "BIG GOLD BELT". Its the title every pro wrestler wants to have,more so than the WWE title.

In regards to ROH, if you are the ROH World Champion you are the king of the Indies. It always been that way. You know you are the top dog on the indy scene. And I know hardcore old ROH fans would say it meant more but NO in the real world it always meant you are the king of the indies. That will never change.

Look at the NWA World title, that been through hell too. But guess what, ask any wrestler in the business do they want to be the NWA heavyweight champion and they would say hell yeah.The Cabana/Adam Pearce thing that happen last year was all politics with the whole new owners thing, it had nothing to do with the title itself. It wasn't that long ago that TNA use the title to build its promotion.

Titles never lose prestige,however promotions and wrestlers do. Just because ROH is not entertaining like it used to be don't mean the title will lose prestige or respect.

Just look at the Stanley Cup. Even when the NHL popularity at an all time low, the Stanley Cup importance level in sports never drop.
Of course titles can lose (and gain) respect over the years. You acknowledge as much by talking about the trials of the NWA strap, which I severely doubt any WWE or TNA headliner would be interested in holding nowadays. Does the Intercontinental title mean as much today as it did when Steamboat & Savage tore the dome down at WMIII? Are the WWE tag belts as important now as they were in the late '80s? No way.

Under Gabe, the ROH World title was presented as being the most prestigious title in wrestling & guys like Joe & Danielson had reigns that went a long way towards backing that up. That prestige has been in steady decline since they went with Jerry Lynn as a figurehead four years ago.

As for the sports analogies, the FA Cup, League Cup & UEFA Cup have all lost their sheen over the past 20-30 years.
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ROH fell off pretty big, so not a ton to me anyway.
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