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Old 01-05-2013, 07:40 PM   #71 (permalink)
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I did enjoy the Jr's match a lot. ***1/2 is still a rather good rating. Just not the style I can get into these days as much as I used to. The spots were good and there were some brilliant sequences, but overall it just felt like a match to show off three guys doing their moves (in a similar vein as the TNA Unbreakable 05 3-way match which I don't care for anywhere near as much as I used to), which isn't really a bad thing when it's done right like this one was. Just wasn't enough in it to warrant a higher rating for me. Ki wrestling as Hitman was fucking awesome though. Came off as a character straight out of a John Woo movie or something.
On this we can agree! The suit was so boss. That's one bad man.

Good points on the junior match. I have no problem with that kind of flash in a three way. If it was like that in singles, I can understand it, but I think that's good triple threat psychology: you have to go out guns blazing because most strategies fall apart when a third person is involved. Your argument makes a lot of sense though, espeically comparing it to Unbreakable '05.
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Yuji Nagata vs. Minoru Suzuki: ****
Devitt vs Low Ki vs Ibushi: **** 1/4
Nakamura vs Sakuraba: **** 1/2 - **** 3/4 (this was absolutely amazing, maybe the 2nd best match under 15 mins I've ever seen)

I don't get why the Makabe/Shibata is praised so highly. It doesn't get above *** 1/4 for me. I preferred special tag match before it tbh and a lot of people didn't seem to enjoy it that much. The Makabe match was very enjoyable whilst it lasted but it was cut way too short and felt anti-climatic to me at the end. I dunno, maybe its because I don't know the history of their feud leading into it.
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Old 01-05-2013, 07:57 PM   #73 (permalink)
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Yuji Nagata vs. Minoru Suzuki: ****
Devitt vs Low Ki vs Ibushi: **** 1/4
Nakamura vs Sakuraba: **** 1/2 - **** 3/4 (this was absolutely amazing, maybe the 2nd best match under 15 mins I've ever seen)

I don't get why the Makabe/Shibata is praised so highly. It doesn't get above *** 1/4 for me. I preferred special tag match before it tbh and a lot of people didn't seem to enjoy it that much. The Makabe match was very enjoyable whilst it lasted but it was cut way too short and felt anti-climatic to me at the end. I dunno, maybe its because I don't know the history of their feud leading into it.
Agree with all of this. Upon rewatch I have decided Shibata/Makabe was technically a squash match. You should have seen their brawls in the past couple months: they were intense and hate filled. But this? Shibata got like a solid 2 minutes of offense, and then Makabe crushed him like a bug for 5 minutes (over half the match) and won.
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On this we can agree! The suit was so boss. That's one bad man.

Good points on the junior match. I have no problem with that kind of flash in a three way. If it was like that in singles, I can understand it, but I think that's good triple threat psychology: you have to go out guns blazing because most strategies fall apart when a third person is involved. Your argument makes a lot of sense though, espeically comparing it to Unbreakable '05.
I've come to expect it from most 3-ways now, sometimes it's done really well and sometimes it isn't, this one was the former imo. Ki taking a German suplex only to bounce up and double stomp Ibushi was a sick spot. tbh Ki could have done anything in that match and I would have thought it was awesome just because of the suit. He should totally take up the gimmick of a 'wrestling hitman' and just always wrestle like that.
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Shinsuke Nakamura vs Kazushi Sakuraba, New Japan (1/4/13)

This didn't strike me as good as Lesnar/Cena, mainly because I think the length hindered the Nakamura comeback from being built to and completed as well as Cena's was, but in many respects I preferred a shorter and more compact match here than a 20 minute match as Sakuraba's offence and technique is better suited to creating a frantic pace where you expect a submission to win instantly, rather than him working a regular control segment where the submissions don't feel as impactful. The matwork to begin was never going to reach the heights Sakuraba is capable of, but it served to introduce the theme of Nakamura being capable in defending himself but still outmatched by Sakuraba and having to fight for every hold. Everything after Nakamura's cocky slap really progressed the match into another gear. Sakuraba is just amazing to watch controlling someone on the mat and him working a pseudo PRIDE esque fight in grounding and mercilessly massacring Nakamura was brilliant and yes his trademark double stomp to the face was horrificly violent and astounding.

Thought the way Nakamura managed to overcome the onslaught and gradually seize control was smartly done. It was kept brisk and based on his striking instead of an extended comeback which might have felt out of place given the tone of the match. The desperation knee to the face to break up the submission before hitting the Boma Ye was the perfect finish, like Cena/Lesnar he found an opening and exploited it before his opponent could react. Sakuraba's counters throughout were timed and executed beautifully and really sold his dominance and Nakamura's peril remarkably well. I did smirk prior to the match with people fearing Sakuraba would fail, guessing most were saying this having never seen his RINGS or UWFI work. He's not the guy you'd have working a match against Tanahashi, but put him in a setting where he establishes himself as the dominant grappler and put someone capable of selling their plight well enough and with good enough striking to make an engaging comeback and the bloke will not let you down.
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You aren't the only one who thought the Tag Title match wasn't from ****, have it at ***3/4 myself. I looked at other reviews though and I was sad to see that not many people felt the same as I.
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I've come to expect it from most 3-ways now, sometimes it's done really well and sometimes it isn't, this one was the former imo. Ki taking a German suplex only to bounce up and double stomp Ibushi was a sick spot. tbh Ki could have done anything in that match and I would have thought it was awesome just because of the suit. He should totally take up the gimmick of a 'wrestling hitman' and just always wrestle like that.
When he came out in it I thought it would be like Claudio's suits that he would take off before the match started. Then the bell rang and when they did that first fast exchange it turned into some kind of anime combat scene. If anyone has seen akabane in Get Backers, thats what it was like. (I'm sure this reference will totally fail) But for me, this was just as good as it gets. If he keeps wearing the suit it will be the awesomest thing ever.

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You aren't the only one who thought the Tag Title match wasn't from ****, have it at ***3/4 myself. I looked at other reviews though and I was sad to see that not many people felt the same as I.
I think the match perfectly hid Goto's weaknesses, and played to Archer and Anderson's strengths as well. And as I said in my review, I really think Smith took it to another level here.
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Old 01-05-2013, 08:14 PM   #78 (permalink)
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Archer was fantastic in the tag match. I was never a fan before this KES stuff, but the last few matches he's looked like a beast. I loved how they let him control most of the match on his own. Dude looks scary intimidating too.

Also, I can't believe Nakamura/Sakuraba was that short! It felt so epic and a lot longer than I've read it was (in a good way obviously).
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It almost benefited from being that short and made it even more epic. I went absolutely fucking crazy at the end and I haven't done that in a while.
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I'm not sure if there is much of a point in Archer telling the fans F*CK YOU. He sure did look like a beast.

I think that's gonna be the thoughts of a lot of people Bubz haha. It felt like this epic match but in actuality it was simply an 11 minute classic :P I always hear when people say a match felt a lot shorter than it was and that was a good thing, but I always felt that match could feel long yet be short ,like this match, and be unbelievably awesome.
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