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Old 02-28-2013, 02:31 AM   #581 (permalink)
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because Punk and Cena are almost screaming the spots
I had it on my television at a pretty loud volume and only caught them doing this ONCE and that was only because the camera was right up in their grill. They weren't shouting out moves, they kept it pretty damn covert (within the restholds).

Besides, it's such a small gripe in the greater scheme of things. You could process the same conclusion (in breaking kayfabe) from most of the moves they did.
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I heard it once. Following it subsided. Got a bit nervous there. Wasn't sure if it would be another Punk/Rock fiasco where you see & hear the spots clearly.
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Everytime a match with no real story has a ton of counters, people end up playing it off like the counters are the story. If you can skip the first ten minutes without the match losing anyhting, there is a story problem.
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Pro wrestling "story" doesn't really mean much. Punk and Cena are fighting for a WRESTLEMANIA main event. That's the story. The fake fighting quality is what determines how good of a fake fighting match are they going to have. Pro wrestling is a shitty storytelling medium. When the "narrative" is the strongest point of the match the said match rarely turns out to be as good as those that actually focus on the fake fighting. I'm trying to think of recent examples of a match where the narrative WAS the strongest point of the match and the match turned out to be really good, there's Tanahashi vs Yano............and yep that's it. I enjoy counters and don't see why there's anything wrong with that or why I should try to make up a story that wasn't there for my opinion to be taken seriously. It would just make me look foolish for trying to notice something that doesn't exist.
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Oh, Mr. y2j, just link it. Storytelling?

I've barely seen anything from 2013 this year so everybody give me top 10s on the year after two months... please?
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I can understand your point breakerj, but I really see a lot more story in many MOTYCs, and I truly think is indeed intentional. To me, when limbwork is done, that is genuinely why: there is a purpose to everything that is being done in the match. It doesn't have to be limbwork but that is one example. For a lot of what I consider truly great recent matches, a purpose behind the moves is what tells a story. Its why not every big spotfest is necessarily a match of the year for me. You said that Pro Wrestling is a shitty storytelling medium, and I understand why you said that, but call me crazy; I honestly think Pro Wrestling is a great storytelling medium. Its just one that requires a lot of effort and creativity to pull of correctly.

I just think its interesting in what context 'just throwing bombs' is ok and in what context it isn't. So this match was for a Mania titleshot, and they wrestled each other before, so tons of counters and bombs with no buildup and/or purpose behind them is fine? Ok, well, what about MITB two years, which was a rather early encounter in their history. Still a lot of counters in that match, but pretty much the entire match was a bunch of stalling and then a bunch of counters and bombs. Did Monday's match really have all that much more 'they know each other so well' counters than Money in the bank did? I think both matches came off at a very equal level of 'familiarity' if you ignore Cole's insipid commentary about it on Monday.

I don't know, it just feels like hypocrisy to me. I see tons of indy matches, even in the past year, that crumble into 'two guys throwing bombs.' The X Division from 6 years ago also comes to mind. These matches are almost universally panned, nowadays. But then a match like this happens and people love the counters and bombs so much that they are somehow excusable here but not with other matches doing the exact same thing. And honestly I do not see the difference. Sometimes I think the spectacle of it gets in the way. I mean, if you guys just gave it that rating for big match feel, I guess it makes sense, but I have seen this formula a million times and the first ten minutes, whether its WWE or shitsplat indy, ends up coming off as completely empty, and only there to waste time until both guys can start swinging for the fences. I like a good powerful series of moves as much as the next guy, but that's all this really seemed to be. And if a good/great finishing stretch makes the early part of the match superfluous, why didn't they just start throwing bombs from the opening bell?
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All gripes towards Michael Elgin lately have been fitting. b/c his matches have all been bad or unmemorable outside of the PWG match vs Eddie Edwards last year. This includes the jerk-fest vs Richards.
I never saw anyone rate that match that high until Seabs said it was **** 1/2 and suddenly everyone agrees with him.

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^ That's the effect I have

I'm pretty sure Cody watched it before me and had it around ****. Most people had it around that mark actually. Can only recall Alan4L loving it as much as I did in terms of a rating. The general acceptance of the match was that it was ***3/4-****.
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I love Elgin so I'm not sure what point I'm trying to make but I'm tired.

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Old 02-28-2013, 08:34 AM   #590 (permalink)
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Oh, Mr. y2j, just link it. Storytelling?

I've barely seen anything from 2013 this year so everybody give me top 10s on the year after two months... please?
WWE & TNA only.

1. John Cena vs. CM Punk (RAW 2/25)
2. Elimination Chamber Match (WWE Elimination Chamber)
3. The Shield vs. Cena, Ryback, & Sheamus (WWE Elimination Chamber)

Honorable Mentions:

- CM Punk vs. Chris Jericho (RAW 2/4)
- Sheamus vs. Dolph Ziggler (Main Event 1/9)
- Alberto Del Rio vs. Dolph Ziggler (Main Event 2/13)
- The Shield vs. Jericho, Ryback & Sheamus (RAW 2/18)

I should've just said WWE since TNA has nothing.
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