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Old 02-27-2013, 09:33 PM   #571 (permalink)
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cena vs. Punk
***3/4

Once again I am left to feel I am missing something. seriously ****1/2, people?

A great finishing stretch, and not much else. Early part was really blah. could have fast forwarded and missed nothing. Then Cena just diminishes pretty much all of Punk's strikes into oblivion.

The finish sucked. Yes, I get that the huricurana was for disorientation and desperation. I still think even if he had hit it clean, its way to athletic of a spot for that kind of wrestling at that point in the match. It just was so random and out of place and didn't make a whole lot of sense for me.

and that's if he hit it clean. He didn't, of course, and it looked like he took more damage than Punk did from that move. If Brock at Wrestlemania 19 is how to a do a self piledriver, this was how to do a self powerbomb.

I really don't think I have ever liked a match between these two. I guess the Summerslam match was the one I'm ok with. Everything else I just don't see stories: I see spots. Some people like back and forth with no story (Okada/Tanahashi from the dome) but I just need a little more before we get to a finisher fest.
But that's the whole point, they are not trading finishers because is cool in a Davey Richards way, they're trading finishers because at this point they had been battle so many times and know each others so well that they know that one finisher isn't enough and they need to trade bombs.

That is the reason also for the early work, is work for domination, they are setting up the moment to begin to throw the bombs. Early part of matches doesn't need always to be limbwork, specially in this kind of matches were people need desperately a victory, they just want to desimate his oponent to get their main event spot in the most important event of the year. And sincerely i prefer this kind of early work, than limbwork that is useless at the finishing stretch

Same with the Rana, Cena can't do shit He never has done in a match with this level of importance, and the Rana is a spot he has do it two or three times now. So even looking too much athletic it works because it's not out of his style but is innovative enough to confuse Punk

I will not called it a **** 1/2 match, because Punk and Cena are almost screaming the spots and there is too much awkwardness in the execution. But no story? i get that this is subjective but if you saw the previous matches between them i think is pretty obvious the kind of match they're working

edit: Another problem i had was the fast kickout of the piledriver but that is just a nitpick of me because i marked out for that
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Old 02-27-2013, 09:53 PM   #572 (permalink)
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I'm not even saying it has to be limb work. It can be pacing work, or some kind of sustained control. I didn't see any of that here. 'Just setting up to begin to throw the bombs,' can be pretty much anything rendering the early part of the match entirely skippable.
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Old 02-27-2013, 10:00 PM   #573 (permalink)
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Well, not because they're struggling for being the man who dominate until the point in wich both said "screw this i will fucking finish you once and for all". That's the main point, they're struggling and you get that emergency and necessity, same necessity wich lead them to began the bombs, is a natural consecuence. They are not setting everything in an obviously way (if you can't forget when they call spots) you get the feeling that every secuence is battle. And this is something that is more needed in current wrestling were early work is almost too cooperative and there is where seems filler, because is portrayed more like a athletic exhibition than a match
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See, I had the original mindset as Nervosa on my first watch. After I gave it another chance, I'm siding with asdf here. There was a purpose towards it leading up to the eventual hot finish. It was a smarter to not incorporate any limb damage. Choosing the head/neck area to be the place to soften up was logical. More-so when the first wave into the throwing bombs portion was Punk locking in the Anaconda Lock. A submission that focuses on the sore area of Cena in the first half of the match.
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Punk/Cena RAW 2/25/2013- ****

Amazing match. Both guys conveyed a sense of desperation throughout the match which really upped the match.
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Just to acknowledge a few things that are starting to agitate me:

#1 Stop saying "trading finishers like Davey Richards". It's annoying and hilariously untrue. Yeah, Richards does take them but it's part of the story and this is breaded in part to where he finally gets his. Now be aware that I have dropped being a Richards fan since 2011(When he honestly began to rot) and the only match I have downright praised of his has been against Elgin about this time last year. Ironically what annoys me more about this "Trading finishers" issue is that Cena is one of the worst abusers of this. I can probably name about 10 matches where he and another wrestler hit each other with their finishers in about a minute. So seriously shut that shit up. It's annoying.

#2 People need to stop saying matches have no story and that it is just moves. It isn't true and that is also really fucking annoying. Sure, there are some cool fucking moves in there and probably some reversals but that doesn't mean there isn't no story or meaning behind them. I wasn't shitting myself over Elgin vs. Steen or Tanahashi vs. Okada but that doesn't mean there is nothing behind any of the efforts that were had in the match. Elgin has been getting crapped on allot lately even though he is one of the big guys that honestly understands that he is a fucking big guy(Unlike Brian Cage who forgets he isn't a cruiserweight at some points). So please people, stop unneeded crapping on and save it for the real matches that need to be shat on. Like Younger vs. B-boy......what a gigantic pile of shit that was.

As for the Punk vs. Cena match, it's amazing. To tackle a few points Nervosa made, the Cenaranna is suppose to be a move that Punk doesn't recognize coming from Cena the same way Cena wouldn't see a move like the Piledriver coming from Punk. The main point of the match was that both of them were hip to the other's person game so much that one little thing of their offense would give away their next. For instance, Punk's shining wizard in the corner(Which Cena made look devasting). It's usually followed by ether a bulldog or a short arm clothesline and when Punk tried to do his usual schtick, it blew up in his face big time on the two occasions he did it. Same with Cena. His usual Five moves of Doom wouldn't cut it against Punk. If Punk was hit with one of them, he immediately countered the other which was pivotal into truly feeding the story of the match. Hence why we saw the Big Dick Powerbomb and the Piledriver. The ongoing theme is Punk being THE ultimate rival to John Cena which was driven home to us from a story point and a storyline point(Cena mentioning he can't beat Punk when it counts). It honestly is one of the best fucking matches that this year has had thus far.
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All gripes towards Michael Elgin lately have been fitting. b/c his matches have all been bad or unmemorable outside of the PWG match vs Eddie Edwards last year. This includes the jerk-fest vs Richards.
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Even in PWG, Elgin had a great match with Ricochet and a solid bout with Mack that was really good. His match with Strong in ROH last year was also a extremely solid contest and that is coming from a guy that doesn't even watch Elgin like that. The only real offensive match I have seen from Elgin is his second bout with Richards in BOLA and even that wasn't terrible.
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I can't be bothered to type a lot because I'm on my phone and it takes the piss, but I will say that Cena/Punk definitely had a swell story. Everything made sense. I will also say that the piledriver will probably be the best fucking spot all year. Seriously, nobody expected that.
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Even in PWG, Elgin had a great match with Ricochet and a solid bout with Mack that was really good. His match with Strong in ROH last year was also a extremely solid contest and that is coming from a guy that doesn't even watch Elgin like that. The only real offensive match I have seen from Elgin is his second bout with Richards in BOLA and even that wasn't terrible.
Ricochet match was decent. Rest I didn't care for. Hated the match vs Mack actually. Mack is terrible himself too.
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