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Re: The 2013 MOTYC Thread

Subjectively, you see great selling, I see Cena's hokey facial expressions. The finishing stretch was rushed for some reason, they easily could have taken half a second to execute the moves cleanly and it would have felt just as pressing. It seemed to me to be the same reason why the rana failed, because he didn't take the time to execute the move properly. In fairness they may have been trying to fit the tv time restraint, but it was rushed regardless.

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I really don't get the hate on the hurricarana. It adds to the match to show how desperate Cena was to prove himself by pulling out a bullshit move that he never does. The only problem I have though was that it was a finishing spot which is kind of a joke.

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I don't understand how a highspot that obviously takes as much effort from your opponent to pull off can sell desperation. Then to flub it and for Punk to still sell totally took away from any realism. Maybe if they had switched the Liger Bomb and huracanrana spots I'd see it differently. Power move would have made more sense in that finishing stretch.


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How can Cena be capable of a 5 star match and be the 'The worst seller in the industry'? Cena's selling in the match was great and was more comparable to Kenta Kobashi than Davey Richards. He'd no-sell the move for a split second in a short burst of adrenaline, hit his move and then feel the effect of Punk's offense shortly after.

I totally disagree with the finishing stretch being 'just a collection of moves and kickouts'. The finisher attempts were all logically and made it feel like they needed to bust out newer moves to try and put each other away.
Bingo.

I swear I think the lack of wanting to put Cena over here is blinding to some folks.

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How can Cena be capable of a 5 star match and be the 'The worst seller in the industry'? Cena's selling in the match was great and was more comparable to Kenta Kobashi than Davey Richards. He'd no-sell the move for a split second in a short burst of adrenaline, hit his move and then feel the effect of Punk's offense shortly after.

I totally disagree with the finishing stretch being 'just a collection of moves and kickouts'. The finisher attempts were all logically and made it feel like they needed to bust out newer moves to try and put each other away.
That part belongs in my "when he's motivated" remark. He can be a great seller sometimes, but more than often - he's worse than CZW rookies.

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Bingo.

I swear I think the lack of wanting to put Cena over here is blinding to some folks.
Well, one man's trash is another man's treasure. That being said, I give Cena plenty of credit where credit is due. This match didn't even touch their MITB and SummerSlam bouts.
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Didn't touch their August 2011 RAW match either. Point being, all the "gripes" I'm seeing come across more like snide remarks to Cena more than it was towards any unfavorable turns in the match.

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Well, Punk was awesome in the match. Who else is left?
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He no-sold Punk's few signature moves, including the Running Knee, and not once, but TWICE! Same people who bash indy wrestling for "no sell bitch" doctrine, they praise Cena. Nice.
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Well, Punk was awesome in the match. Who else is left?
Cena.

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This video has the action that was cut away from the commercial break. If you were one of those who had a problem with the cutaways (regardless if it effected your outlook on the match or not) than I certainly recommend viewing.


WWE Monday Night RAW 2/25/13


John Cena vs CM Punk ~ ****


I was a knucklehead. I enjoyed this match on the first go. Upon a second time I now love this match. Maybe I focused a bit more or something, but all previous "flaws" were put to rest. (only one; thinking the weardown phases was meaningless when it 100% wasn't. Great use of the headlock/focusing the attack on the head & neck area of Cena.) Story was completely in tact here. I know it is hard to buy Cena as an underdog. Which is perfectly understandable. However, vs Punk in a big match situation it does fit. That's been the story of their main event feud. Punk always survived. Cena never could figure him out. Only time he had was via interference. Never by his own forces. And John knows the facts. I can't quite add anything too fresh that hasn't been said by so many already so I'll try and scrape what I can atm. Influx of new moves was gold. I always appreciated the trait of keeping their matches fresh. Liger Bomb by Cena. What?! Wonderful. PILEDRIVER by Punker? Excellent! Real "mark out" moments for me. Huracanrana spot was top notch. Not the execution of course. The point behind it. Cena busted out something he's used about once in his career. He finally threw Punk off his game. Cena capitalized and finally thwarted Punk in a big match situation all on his own. Now, on the point of selling. There was absolutely zero negatives with anything form of selling by Cena. Not once. His head & neck was the damaged point. Nowhere else was sore. He takes two brutal knees to the face. Ate them completely. What some didn't seem to notice was how each time he countered following them, were used as a rapid bust of adrenaline to hit something out of desperation. It wasn't a blatant attempt at no-selling because he's "SUPER CENA". Not at all. I can't even see the logic behind that mindset. Both men were great in this. I made the point last night and it still stands after the second watch: Punk & Cena both always make these matches. They're always constantly back and forth. Feed off the ebb & flow of every encounter. A drop in the bucket here. Only with something different to separate it from the pack. That's the sign of a great series of matches. A great, awesome chemistry among these guys. It hasn't failed yet. Nor would I ever think it will. Stellar match. Not for TV. In general. That's what you want to see when a match is billed as "big".

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i dont watch wwe. first time i've seen their new sets. clean. nice. shame their product sucks.

this match doesnt though. builds nicely. liked the part with punk ducking and dodging cena. worked at a good pace, not too slow, not too fast. moves make sense, done in a nice sequence, building up to the bigger, funner moves. sick ddt on cena. vice/neckbreaker sequence was really slick. stf into the vice was even nicer. CROSSFACE. BENOIT. BENOIT. loved the lyger bomb, love powerbombs. count out spot was LEGIT. stf counter was pretty cool but loved the piledriver even more than the lyger bomb. not much tops a good piledriver tbh. lotta trust between the two there. i liked the hurricanrana. it got across how drained cena was. **** imo.

hilarious tho that this match happened on raw and you're gonna get gassed roidy vs cena. better hope cena have his big boy carry boots on.

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