Originally Posted by Srdjan99
Well if you're not familiar with the lucha style, it won't seem like a good match to you
I don't like the wording of that comment.
I'll be the first to admit that my knowledge on Lucha is not the greatest but I wouldn't say I'm not familiar with the style. Far from it actually. This is what was posted on Segunda Caida's blog about the match:
Not really my kind of lucha, as this was pretty much just young guys throwing out all of there spots. Still this was a singles match which got some time, and some of the spots were pretty crazy. All the second caida stuff around the ramp was nuts, as was Titan's tope to Polvora's back. CMLL is going have this kind of match and this isn't a bad version of it.
While both Segunda and myself don't go to Crusade's length in hating it, you cannot for one second question Segunda's own knowledge on the sport. That's just ludicrous.
As for Crusade
's personal take on the style
, that is a different story and perhaps will not be changed. Like any style of wrestling, Lucha has its protractors and detractors. Some will love it and others will criticise it for being "too co-operative". Those type of people will say they cannot suspend their disbelief long-enough to enjoy those bouts. Yet, in a real fight, how legitimate is any wrestling move actually? We've just grown-up to prefer a certain style (most probably American/standard) and its hardwiring within our belief-structure makes it harder to accept more blatantly fake performances. Even though, ultimately, it's all still pseudo-realism (just at different degrees).
I'm actually curious as to how both of you felt about wrestling when you realised it was scripted. Perhaps that might shed some light on this, because it did for me. I couldn't accept the sport at all, my passion had almost died. I had to "relearn" my love for wrestling, but in doing so I learnt to enjoy much more to it. It was no longer just about the drama, knowing it was fake enabled me to appreciate the work-rate and psychology behind the matches. Something I'm almost sure no one not "in the know" will be able to appreciate.
And this sense of renewal was something I had to do (admittedly, in varying degrees) for new styles not that close to the WWE product - especially so for Lucha. At a surface reading, I'd guess Crusade to be more at home with MMA/shoot-wrestling or Puroresu (those seemingly are the two styles accustomed to people with those critiques on Lucha) and if he cannot get used to Lucha (which would require understanding why the referee counts slowly
and the CMLL three-fall booking style [which I will say is lazy and something beginning to get stale in early 2010] amongst other things) then perhaps, for his own sake, it shouldn't be pursued but the door for criticism should always be open as this is a forum. It's ultimately like deathmatch wrestling (to use a more black/white benchmark). You're either going to love it (and praise it accordingly) or not "get it" and lambaste it with a lower rating.
I agree that, perhaps, Crusade "doesn't get it" (for lack of a much better term) but that:
A) Isn't a bad thing
B) Doesn't mean the match was that great, because it wasn't
I went on a bit of a tangent there...