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Old 12-21-2012, 04:23 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Collectively you should expect more from all these wrestlers. Austin came up with 3:16, his gimmick and his promos. He didn't sit around and wait for the writers to hand it to him or complain for years about being undercut. See what I'm saying?
wwe plan everything out and leave nothing to chance, their lack of a crystal ball or premenitions kill off any chance they might have taken, i mean who wouldve thought 3:16 would have the reaction it did on the night or afterwards

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Old 12-21-2012, 04:39 PM   #22 (permalink)
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It's a new time, it's a new set of circumstances. The next breakthrough star will have to adapt, be smart, and think, live and breathe wrestling like Austin did.

Whatever I say, you're going to come up with a new excuse for that generation of indy-wrestlers.
Like Danielson or Punk don't love wrestling just as much as Austin did. I'm pretty sure Punk got people talking when he was able to cut a promo the way he wanted to and got people interested that hadn't be in a little bit for a bit before WWE killed that. And you can't tell me that anyone would be remotely as over with that "YES! NO!" gimmick as Danielson is.

And again, it's kind of hard of be adaptive when WWE micro-manages everything and the business as a whole is on a downturn then it was back then. Again, Zack Ryder thought outside the box, got himself reasonably over with his Youtube channel, and instead of running with it and maybe creating a mid-carder that people care about WWE paid lip-service for a month or two before slowly crushing him and his momentum to the point of outside of NYC no one cares anymore about him and he's just another job guy.
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Old 12-22-2012, 09:01 AM   #23 (permalink)
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I also think indy is being hurt now by more younger stars going to Japan or Mexico to wrestle. You look at guys like Kenny Omega, Devitt or Tama will be tearing up indies full-time. Also WWE snatches some guys before they can hit it big on the indy scene and put them in F.C.W like Corey Graves.
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Also WWE snatches some guys before they can hit it big on the indy scene and put them in F.C.W like Corey Graves.
from what i've read, anyone can join FCW provided they pay their way through the boot camp, if you show promise then they give a develpmental contract provided they move to florida and can live on $500 a month

i mean how many people from fcw or ovw have been there?
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Old 12-22-2012, 09:51 AM   #25 (permalink)
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Also WWE snatches some guys before they can hit it big on the indy scene and put them in F.C.W like Corey Graves.
Hardly the best example since he'd been on the indys for a decade before ending up in FCW.
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Old 12-22-2012, 10:05 AM   #26 (permalink)
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I think it's as simple as the current top guys didn't have the chance to rise to the top before because there were people in their way. It's like in any sport or in the acting field, people only start to rise to the top of the card after plying their trade in a supporting role for a while.
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Is Graves SJK? Yeah WWE really got up on him before he got chance to work all over the Indies.
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I do think WWE watchers lower their standards as well tna but this does not apply to the indies. I think people standards for the indies is too high which is why ROH get so much crap despite having a decent product. I seen someone compared PWG Steen/Generico ladder wars to the roh version and they look for every excuse to hate the roh one and actually blame roh. Puro and Lucha fans standards are good, they know good wrestling without over analyzing stuff.
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Old 12-23-2012, 06:36 AM   #29 (permalink)
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I do think WWE watchers lower their standards as well tna but this does not apply to the indies. I think people standards for the indies is too high which is why ROH get so much crap despite having a decent product. I seen someone compared PWG Steen/Generico ladder wars to the roh version and they look for every excuse to hate the roh one and actually blame roh. Puro and Lucha fans standards are good, they know good wrestling without over analyzing stuff.
puro and lucha fans(CMLL AAA NJPW) have never nessisarily had to worry about company image considering how ingrained in their respective cultures they are

also ive belived that if so many championships didnt have "world" in the title then maybe the standards would be more reasonable, i mean unless wwe has that catorgory in their current championship class then some would be interested in sub-catorgories of champions like "North American" or "Intergender" or "European" or "Hardcore/24/7" etc

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Is Graves SJK? Yeah WWE really got up on him before he got chance to work all over the Indies.
he made an impression in 1pw in the uk, he was a heel there but got cheered more as time went on

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