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Old 12-21-2012, 02:26 PM   #11 (permalink)
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I just think the indy boom that generated alot of those names was kinda once in a lifetime, literally all those names kinda showed up once wcw and ecw closed.....meaning there was nowhere for them to go. They had watched these comapanies as children and dreamed to wretle for them now they coudln't so they busted their asses to make sure they made their names known.

Plus i think the indies as far as companies were a little more stingy on who got to work shows.....most were run by Old school workers or atleast people in the business. Now any guy with 50 bucks can run an indy and any kid with spray painted kickpads and a knowledge of how to fake strong style or lucha can be a wreslter.

This is no hate on some of the actual talent out there now....guys like gargano, callihan, generico, the bucks. But for everyone one of them there are a thousand Joe blows... who copy the moveset of indy wrestlings past and yell alot.
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Old 12-21-2012, 03:05 PM   #12 (permalink)
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The top Indy guys aren't as good as the top Indy guys from pre 09. If that's what you mean then yeah, the quality standard of Indy workers has dropped. That's only inevitable though when you lose so many of the best Indy workers in a short space of time and you get left with a bunch of average workers all working with each other.
The problem is that they all left so quickly. I mean look at an ROH/PWG show from a few years ago and see who the top guys are. It's totally different now. Had it been a more gradual change I think everything in indy wrestling would be a lot better.

I don't think the top indy guys now are bad though (well most of them). I'm huge fans of Steen, Generico, Sami Callihan, Gargano, Chuck Taylor Adam Cole, and a lot of other guys that are working a ton of indy shows all over the country. One huge issue is that these guys don't work all the same shows. Evolve/DGUSA and ROH but having their own rosters as weakened the overall quality of indy wresting. Gargano can't go to ROH and Steen isn't going to show up on an Evolve show.
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To me it seems like Bryan Danielsson, CM Punk and that generation of indy-stars worked wonders for the indy-scene but have collectively failed to re-ignite any interest in the WWE or TNA.

Todays indy-stars could probably do as well if not better in TNA and WWE than CM Punk and his generation.
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To me it seems like Bryan Danielsson, CM Punk and that generation of indy-stars worked wonders for the indy-scene but have collectively failed to re-ignite any interest in the WWE or TNA.

Todays indy-stars could probably do as well if not better in TNA and WWE than CM Punk and his generation.
Like who exactly? Even this generations best bunch like Generico and Cole for example couldn't do what Punk and Bryan did.

They reignited mt interest in WWE. I'm a part time viewer and it's usually Punk's and Bryan's stuff that drags me in. Summer of Punk,Bryan's heel turn and title reign, Punk's turn etc
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Like who exactly? Even this generations best bunch like Generico and Cole for example couldn't do what Punk and Bryan did.

They reignited mt interest in WWE. I'm a part time viewer and it's usually Punk's and Bryan's stuff that drags me in. Summer of Punk,Bryan's heel turn and title reign, Punk's turn etc
I'm not talking about you or the indy-fans I'm talking about the business. That generation has done nothing for the business. All they did was to come in and take some other wrestlers place.
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I'm not talking about you or the indy-fans I'm talking about the business. That generation has done nothing for the business. All they did was to come in and take some other wrestlers place.
Wouldn't that have more to do with WWE's downturn in booking/writing, TNA's complete stupidity and the general lessening of the business more then the guys they bring up? Remember it's not like they gave Punk, Danielson, et al. the ball as soon as they came in and it's not like they still don't undercut them from time to time.
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Wouldn't that have more to do with WWE's downturn in booking/writing, TNA's complete stupidity and the general lessening of the business more then the guys they bring up? Remember it's not like they gave Punk, Danielson, et al. the ball as soon as they came in and it's not like they still don't undercut them from time to time.
Collectively you should expect more from all these wrestlers. Austin came up with 3:16, his gimmick and his promos. He didn't sit around and wait for the writers to hand it to him or complain for years about being undercut. See what I'm saying?
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Collectively you should expect more from all these wrestlers. Austin came up with 3:16, his gimmick and his promos. He didn't sit around and wait for the writers to hand it to him or complain for years about being undercut. See what I'm saying?
Yeah but at that time a dude didn't kill his own family making WWE gunshy about anything even remotely controversial to the point of censoring themselves and forcing guys to follow the script generally or pay the price. They gave Danielson a break because he choked Justin Roberts with a tie for maybe 10 seconds on camera. Zack Ryder (who I can't stand) was getting himself over but because it wasn't because of WWE they had to notice it and then have slowly killed it.
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I don't see a drastic downturn in talent level. It certainly doesn't help when there's a large number taken out of the talent pool be that to WWE, TNA or wherever but there's consistently always been a few closer to the top and then a wide spread of good to average folks filling out the remaining slots. Sort of like now, more or less.

Maybe I'm missing something because I'm not paying as close attention as I might have before? (life gets in the way like that)

I don't think the current crop who've come up from the indies are failing in comparison to the past, either. They can only work within what they're given/permitted. They have as much skill, more possibly, as any previous generation but also less freedom (WWE), less help from creative behind the scenes (TNA) and rather hit-or-miss booking in both.
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Yeah but at that time a dude didn't kill his own family making WWE gunshy about anything even remotely controversial to the point of censoring themselves and forcing guys to follow the script generally or pay the price. They gave Danielson a break because he choked Justin Roberts with a tie for maybe 10 seconds on camera. Zack Ryder (who I can't stand) was getting himself over but because it wasn't because of WWE they had to notice it and then have slowly killed it.
It's a new time, it's a new set of circumstances. The next breakthrough star will have to adapt, be smart, and think, live and breathe wrestling like Austin did.

Whatever I say, you're going to come up with a new excuse for that generation of indy-wrestlers.
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