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Old 12-26-2012, 02:42 PM   #51 (permalink)
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But if he went to WWE after a year in developmental (if that) at least he'd be on our screens. With TNA I honestly don't think they'd see him as anything more then X-Division guy #12 and wouldn't have him on more then once every couple of months until it's time for the annual "Let's hype the X-Division" time from a month before Destination X until a bit after.
The same was said for Aries, tbh, and look at him now. This is Generico we're talking about: kids, masks, merch, pops... money, I guess?
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Old 12-26-2012, 03:42 PM   #52 (permalink)
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The same was said for Aries, tbh, and look at him now. This is Generico we're talking about: kids, masks, merch, pops... money, I guess?
When you say masks all I can think about with TNA is how they didn't sign Jigsaw. The guy wrestled 2 matches for the company and people were chanting his name on that second match at Destination X. How did no one in the company think the marketability of that character was through the roof even if for a few months?Cash in on the masks and t-shirts and if it doesn't pan out past that then take him off the roster. The X-Division though in its current state clearly needed a guy like that that the fans enjoyed seeing.

El Generico would be a step or two above Jig though. He could easily be touted as an international star if they wished. The X-Division tends to thrive on the champion so when Aries is in there he gets possible MOTYC in his matches against Joe and Shelley but when RVD is in there you get Kenny King and crappy match ups in general because its RVD in 2012. If Generico came in ran over the X-Division and snagged the title he could get treated as a star in no time like Aries. Its really up to the guy with the belt to have really good matches at PPVs and elevate himself that way.
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X-Division is useless. If he got grouped in that bunch then it would be a waste unless it actually meant something again. I stand by my point. Generico in TNA is lukewarm for me. I'd mark seeing him of course. I wouldn't hold my breathe for a push until I saw signs of it.
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I'm really suprised at how far Aries has gotten in TNA, so I would at least enjoy seeing people like Generico be given a shot.
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Old 12-27-2012, 10:41 AM   #55 (permalink)
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The same was said for Aries, tbh, and look at him now. This is Generico we're talking about: kids, masks, merch, pops... money, I guess?
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Old 12-27-2012, 10:45 AM   #56 (permalink)
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The same was said for Aries, tbh, and look at him now. This is Generico we're talking about: kids, masks, merch, pops... money, I guess?
Yes but Aries is an awesome talker which helps him a lot, Generico on the other hand..
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Old 12-27-2012, 12:06 PM   #57 (permalink)
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It was all about timing with Aries as well.
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It was one of the scariest moments of the night at “Final Battle 2012” when BJ Whitmer ascended to the top rope thinking Charlie Haas, laid on a table, was too out of it to stop him. Unfortunately Haas sprung up, surprised Whitmer, and suplexed BJ off the top thru a table headfirst.


It was a truly terrifying moment that left all of us here at Ring of Honor quite concerned for BJ's health and well-being but thankfully, after a bit of rest and relaxation, there were no serious effects to Whitmer's head and neck. Whitmer's career has been defined by moments like those, surviving things that would put a normal man down for the count, and being able to continue fighting.

He did it with a broken ankle for months, he did it during the CZW war when he was abused in every ultraviolent fashion possible, and only BJ himself knows what other physical trauma he has suffered through silently yet continued to battle on. Yet despite these courageous moments in his career, despite the scary situation at “Final Battle 2012”, there is one man who has found a way to take up issue with Whitmer's survival skills: Matt Hardy.

“Stronger than death?” Hardy said via e-mail to ROH officials, “In New York I heard fans say that BJ Whitmer was the one stronger than death, and that Matt Hardy had nothing on him. I don't know what all BJ has gone through in his life, I'm sure it's been traumatic, but none of it compares to everything I have seen and felt in my years traveling the globe as an internationally recognized superstar. I survived drugs, TLC, car wrecks, I have stared death in her face, walked through hell, and come out the other side with a smile on my face. Stronger than Death? That title only belongs to one man and that man is obviously Matt Hardy. So what I am telling ROH officials to do is make BJ Whitmer's career and let him get into the ring with me in Milwaukee. I heard you've traveled the world a little yourself too BJ but one night in the ring with Matt Hardy and more eyes will be on you than ever before. So make the most of it BJ but don't be mistaken, I will show you and everyone watching that night who really lives up to those three words.”

It's Matt Hardy vs. BJ Whitmer on Jan. 19th when ROH hits Milwaukee, WI! Which warrior will prove stronger than death? Be there live to find out!!!
Lol this is a match I didn't exepcted to see
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Old 12-29-2012, 09:30 AM   #59 (permalink)
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I drift in and out of ROH. I want to make 2013 a year that I start to pick up with the most recent Indy wrestling from as many promotions as I can, as well as dipping into their history, but already I can't say I'm impressed with the outlook of this first show next year, which must mean I'm just not cut out for 2013 ROH.

Like I said, drifting in and out has left me a bit wayward with what's going on, but I feel like the main event is just a clusterfuck, for want of a better term. If it's non-title, then why would the Kevin Steen character want to wrestle in it? He can't be pinned, but even if loses he will still have to defend his title against one of them? What happens if he wins, does it just mean that the loser doesn't get a shot? Then, what about the other 2, do they? If all Steen has to gain is stopping someone he has already beaten from facing him again, then why would he want to risk injury/time (kayfabe,) just seems a bit odd.

I would be more interested in:

Defy or Deny - Winner is #1 Contenders, whilst Loser will not receive another title shot at Steen:


Eddie Edwards VS Michael Elgin VS Roderick Strong.

SCUM (Kevin Steen, Steve Corino & Jimmy Jacobs) VS The Briscos & Jay Lethal

Rhino could get involved also, and they could keep Steen from Lethal easily with the other 4 men.

Or,

SCUM (Kevin Steen, Rhino, Corino, Jacobs) VS Jay Lethal, The Briscos and someone Nigel picks to partner with them.

Can't say I'm excited about Davey Richards and Kyle O'Reilys shinpad kick-fest.

I must have been the only person excited to see Matt Hardy in ROH. In my eyes, him and Cole could have stole the undercard and people would look upon him with new respect and it could go anywhere, but 1 repetetive promo, 10 side effects and 5 attempted and a few successful Twists Of Fate later and I'm completely indifferent. If it's true that Shelton is departing, who would rather see a Charlie Haas/Whitmer grudge match?

I would love to see Generico in WWE for some reason, but El Generico in 2013 not a WWE version in 2014/15 after a period of him in their feeder leagues.
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Default Re: ROH "Defy Or Deny 2012" - Millqaukee, WI, 01/19/2013

Adam Cole vs Silas Young announced for this show
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