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Lol only One problem , D'lo works for TNA as a road agent ( I think) and I'm not sure roh and tna are on good terms after that Kenny King incident
ROH shouldn't hold any grudge about that. All TNA did was sign a guy who wasn't contracted to anyone else.

I'm actually encouraged by ROH lately. They mentioned the WWE twice in their last two shows and they didn't put them down either time.
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The WWE. He was with that promotion for less than a year and a half before he took off. And he was getting a great reaction before that too.
what does that have to do with roh?
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Re: How To Reboot ROH's Tag Division

No company should ever work with tna especially roh who has been screwed by tna on more than one occasion. TNA dont know how to work well with others. There's no benefit either.

Roh should work with njpw especially since they have no relationship with a US promotion right now.
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what does that have to do with roh?
Someone suggested that ROH should build for the future by not signing a team like the headbangers, who are both over 40.

My counter point was, that even at 40 you can have a lot of good years left in you, and that you can build up younger talent, AT THE SAME TIME.

Meaning that you should sign both the older guys who are good attractions now, and also younger guys who have potential.

The thing about Danielson is, he's the example of that. He's a guy who arrived in a new promotion, and got noticed quickly, because he obviously has talent.

The idea that any promotion will ever be in trouble because their roster is too old is not backed up by history. it's quick and easy to build up younger talent.

In my opinon, if you have something special about you, in ring talent, mic skills, that X Factor ...

People will notice...

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No company should ever work with tna especially roh who has been screwed by tna on more than one occasion. TNA dont know how to work well with others. There's no benefit either.

Roh should work with njpw especially since they have no relationship with a US promotion right now.
I agree with that, TNA has proven time and time again to be a classless promotion.

I'm just saying that Kenny King or TNA didn't do anything wrong in that perticular situation.

But Yeah, TNA troubles me. Very seedy.
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You can be over 40 and still have plenty of good years in you but the Headbangers don't.

I don't think I worded that correctly in my first post on this thread but I'm okay with a promotion using wrestlers that are older but if you are using these wrestlers from the past just to have them. If you are bringing in guys to just be able to say "Former (fill in major-ish promotion) wrestler..." then that's not moving forward.

There are two types of former big league wrestlers, the ones who want to help the next group of wrestlers and love wrestling and then there are the ones who get jobs because they use to be in a bigger promotion. Steve Corino, Rhino, and Finlay would fit in the first group while WGTT, when they debut in ROH they looked like first groupers, and guys like the Headbangers. Maybe that's because I want my nostalgia acts to be faces. It is much funner when I am not suppose to take guys like the Headbangers as serious guys. That's why seeing the Faces of Pain at KOT was so fun. It was 3 guys who you wouldn't consider good wrestlers by any stretch but seeing them beat on the Bucks was so fun.
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Re: How To Reboot ROH's Tag Division

when I watched 1998 WWF a couple years ago I really liked the Headbangers. obviously that was 1998 WWF, not 2012 ROH, but still, I wouldn't say there's anything wrong with having the Headbangers in your wrestling company if they can wrestle. if they are demonstrably shitty on a regular basis like a certain former WWE tag team and still keep getting pushed, then there's a problem, and if they get pushed at a level that vastly outpaces their abilities, there's another problem. but beyond the fact that they're the Headbangers and who is going to take them seriously (which can be solved by good, or even just competent, booking) there's nothing inherently wrong with having them as regular roster members.

now, if you think they're shitty, that's another thing, but dumping people because they're ex-WWE guys would have stopped us from having James Gibson's ROH run and nobody ever should want that.

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You can be over 40 and still have plenty of good years in you but the Headbangers don't.

I don't think I worded that correctly in my first post on this thread but I'm okay with a promotion using wrestlers that are older but if you are using these wrestlers from the past just to have them. If you are bringing in guys to just be able to say "Former (fill in major-ish promotion) wrestler..." then that's not moving forward.

There are two types of former big league wrestlers, the ones who want to help the next group of wrestlers and love wrestling and then there are the ones who get jobs because they use to be in a bigger promotion. Steve Corino, Rhino, and Finlay would fit in the first group while WGTT, when they debut in ROH they looked like first groupers, and guys like the Headbangers. Maybe that's because I want my nostalgia acts to be faces. It is much funner when I am not suppose to take guys like the Headbangers as serious guys. That's why seeing the Faces of Pain at KOT was so fun. It was 3 guys who you wouldn't consider good wrestlers by any stretch but seeing them beat on the Bucks was so fun.
Okay, I gotcha.

for the record, I think the headbangers will work. I'm on the record so if it blows up in my face, it's cool. I'd rather have my nuts on the chopping block than be on the fence. It's much more fun that way and Jim Cramer is one of my personal hereos.

I'd also like to point out that they got a decent reaction in a what can be considered a small crowd at the duburns. I know it's anacdotal ( can't spell that ) but I really like to go by crowd reaction a lot of the time. Those people paid and I think the live crowd is the best sample of the main fan base.

But I agree, you can't bring people in just because they're WWE guys. And I do like to think that with the exception of Maria, ROH really doesn't do that.

WGTT may be very dull, however, I think ROH managment really likes them, and that's why they're in. Not because they're WWE guys. Wether we agree with ROH managment or not. I like Haas on the mic but I'm not big on them. Booking hasn't been handled well either.



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when I watched 1998 WWF a couple years ago I really liked the Headbangers. obviously that was 1998 WWF, not 2012 ROH, but still, I wouldn't say there's anything wrong with having the Headbangers in your wrestling company if they can wrestle. if they are demonstrably shitty on a regular basis like a certain former WWE tag team and still keep getting pushed, then there's a problem, and if they get pushed at a level that vastly outpaces their abilities, there's another problem. but beyond the fact that they're the Headbangers and who is going to take them seriously (which can be solved by good, or even just competent, booking) there's nothing inherently wrong with having them as regular roster members.

now, if you think they're shitty, that's another thing, but dumping people because they're ex-WWE guys would have stopped us from having James Gibson's ROH run and nobody ever should want that.
Exactly, especially about the booking. booking solves most problems and turns small regional promotions into indy darlings. people just want to have fun when they go to a show, they already wanna like that promotion and those wrestlers.
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I'm just saying that Kenny King or TNA didn't do anything wrong in that perticular situation.

But Yeah, TNA troubles me. Very seedy.
it is a little troubling that most wrestlers are purely in it for themsleves but everyone should know by now that verbal agreements don't mean s**t in wrestling
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it is a little troubling that most wrestlers are purely in it for themsleves but everyone should know by now that verbal agreements don't mean s**t in wrestling
yeah, it was kind of an amatuer mistake on ROH's part but I wonder if they did that on purpose? Maybe they didn't wanna put Kenny on the books to avoid taxes or something?

It's just so weird that they would take that risk.

I'm sure it was tough for Kenny too though, you got this oportunity to make more money, and it's not like you're making a ton of money as a wrestler anyway ... I could see why he did it.
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yeah, it was kind of an amatuer mistake on ROH's part but I wonder if they did that on purpose? Maybe they didn't wanna put Kenny on the books to avoid taxes or something?

It's just so weird that they would take that risk.

I'm sure it was tough for Kenny too though, you got this oportunity to make more money, and it's not like you're making a ton of money as a wrestler anyway ... I could see why he did it.
taxes? what on earth do you mean?
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