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Old 10-29-2012, 09:00 AM   #51 (permalink)
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AAA have a bigger tv audience, actually their ratings double cmll in Mexico. Plus AAA last US tour in 09 was very successful averaging 5000 per show.
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But I heard that CMLL was bigger just a few years ago. You know that WCW was bigger than WWE for two years but in the history of pro wre WWE is everything.
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Old 10-29-2012, 09:45 AM   #54 (permalink)
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But I heard that CMLL was bigger just a few years ago. You know that WCW was bigger than WWE for two years but in the history of pro wre WWE is everything.
Yeah like in 2006. Noah was also bigger than New Japan too.
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CMLL was larger than AAA when they landed a hot streak with Mistico I. After roughly 2007, AAA went right back to being on top. There's a reason why people refer to AAA as Mexico's WWE they're huge, like really huge and it's been that way virtually since its inception.
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Now this is just my opinion, but what is the goal of pro wrestling? To make money. The second most successful promotion would be the one that makes the second most amount of money, no? That has the second highest PAID attendance per year, no? The second most buys, I think? TNA doesn't make money! TNA wins in the amount of countries broadcasted on TV, sure, but that does not make them the second biggest promotion out there. Obviously New Japan doesn't matter outside of Japan, and other places where they're seen like Taiwan, Mongolia, China, Korea, Italy apparently, or with "other wrestling" fans around the world, but they are broadcast globally with iPPVs and in the internet age who's to say which is more important? TNA is more widespread on television internationally but New Japan is certainly the bigger promotion by every other measure, in my opinion.

And just splitting hairs but that 600 international buy number was just the measure of people watching live. No way to say how many watched with the time delay and replay buys.
I'm sorry, but you're beyond delusional. Beyond. Do you know anything about the "TV/money" connection? Anything at all? You see, there are some minor things such as TV rights, sponsorships, contracts, etc. You think TNA airs for free? You think there's no money in being on TV in USA, Europe, Asia, Africa, Oceania, etc.?

Because, *SHOCKING REVEAL* making money out of selling your TV rights is still... guess what - making money.

You think everything is about selling tickets? Get out of here... You at least, as a Puroresu fan, should know what I'm talking about, and how important TV deals are, because NJPW has at least 4 different TV deals in Japan, so they're making a lot of money there. Their gates are pretty damn impressive since 2009-10 too, which can't be said about TNA, but TNA pretty much outdrives it with the TV rights.
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99.99% of the indies are stuck to a certain region without the resources to expand (which includes PWG and CZW). There are a few indies that have some kind of regional tv deal, but even they are stuck. At best indies manage to do shows in 2-3 states, but only if they are close to eachother.

As far as i know the only companies that are trying to expand in multiple regions are CHIKARA and DGUSA/EVOLVE. Of these 2 Chikara will become #3 by default because DGUSA is just too small, they draw like 200 fans a show and they actually became smaller compared to their first show, while CHIKARA continues to grow its fanbase. This opinion however is based on the current figures.

But if ROH suddenly disappears there will be a large amount of free agents available on the market, so some things will definately change. A company like DGUSA could pick up the big names of ROH and grow its fanbase, many fans have dreamt of DGUSA/ROH once again working together, so when both rosters end up in the same company thats where most of the ROH fanbase will go. But if DGUSA is unable to pick up the ROH guys, it will be very likely a new player will enter the market to became #3. Maybe it will be Extreme Rising? With the best of ECW veterans combined with the ROH guys it could actually become a watchable product. There are also a few indies in the NorthEast who are funded by moneymarks, maybe 1 of those guys becomes interested in taking over the ROH remains.

So whatever happens, there will be a new #3 for as long as there is a market in areas like NY, Chicago, Boston and Philly. The same thing happened in 2002 when ROH was created.
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You need tv, ROH was able to get away with selling dvds for a short period of time but eventually they realize to grow on the national market you need tv,PLAIN AND SIMPLE.

AAA(an establish US fanbase,they just lost tv in the US)
TCW(regional/local tv, but quickly trying to establish themselves like signing with Octiplexx to take them internationally on tv)
CMLL(somewhat establish US fanbase,3 shows nationally in the US as well as local tv in L.A).

PWG or Chikara IF they get a weekly show on television.
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You need tv, ROH was able to get away with selling dvds for a short period of time but eventually they realize to grow on the national market you need tv,PLAIN AND SIMPLE.
9 years is not a short period of time.
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9 years is not a short period of time.
Actually, yes it is and how many years were they profitable out of those nine years? You know how people like to say Cornette is old school and out of touch, well having DVDs as your top priority is old school and out of date. Its a different era in indy wrestling.
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