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RoosterSmith 10-04-2012 02:55 AM

Pay Per Views do not a help the wrestling business, artistically. CWFH Proves that.
 
Financially? PPV's can be a huge positive. They can make life better for a promotions talent and they can definently help the bottom line.

But artistically? Big negative. Here's why:

Pro Wrestling is a story telling medium. having a date set aside for a PPV puts an arbitrary benchmark in those stories.

When I was a kid I really wanted to see Greg Valentine beat the snot out of the Honky Tonk man. ( was it the honkey tonk man? Can't even remember.) They used to be a tag team but they broke up. I was into it.

It was my brother in law that broke the news to me.

"They're not gonna really fight until Summerslam." Then he explained why.

Sure enough they were booked for summerslam. which was months away.

Things are better now. WWE and TNA runs monthly PPV's. You gotta pay but it doesn't hurt the actual product.

But even now, it forces the same amount of time to be spent on every fued. If it's done right you hardly notice.

But if it's done wrong you're stuck with another 3 weeks of an uninteresting storyline.

I'll admit that I'm behind on my CWF Hollywood. Haven't watched the new episode yet. But just finished the one before it. How awesome is Joey Ryan?

Racism in real life= Inexcusable!!!

Racism in wrestling= Awesome!!!

We got an honest to God title change on free TV two weeks ago.

Almost had another one this week. These are solid cards! Storylines are being advanced naturally!

naturally!!!

Not by a certain dealine. Not just in time for another "Our Biggest Show of the Year!!!"

Naturally.

When Willie Mack, the man who took a bus to get the show, won the TV Title, that was a PPV moment. It was a PPV match, and it was the culmination of all that "Jerry Springer," "Soap Opera," Dare I say it, Yes I will, "Sports Entertainment" goodness we love from the televised shows of our favorite promotions.

It was the best of both worlds. And if CWF Hollywood was doing PPV's you would have gotten either or. Not both.

Because "Championship Wrestling from Hollywood" (the TV show ) is THE place to be if you follow "Championship Wrestling from Hollywood" ( the promotion. )

SludgeHammer 10-04-2012 04:26 AM

Re: Pay Per Views do not a help the wrestling business, artistically. CWFH Proves th
 
Some interesting points though in a sense you point out the reason it works this way in the first line. It would be great to have more spontaneity in wrestling in the form of big matches, high spots and title changes on free TV but, given the PPV-centric way many wrestling companies operate where would the impetus for the fans to pay for the inevitable 'big' shows come from? PPVs generate revenue and without shaking up the entire structure of the way we view wrestling I can't see a way of not having 'big' moments occur on PPV. Not saying its a good thing, just that I find it hard to believe any company would move away from a proven profit-making structure in the name of providing a more spontaneous and exciting product for the fans.

flag sabbath 10-04-2012 12:26 PM

Re: Pay Per Views do not a help the wrestling business, artistically. CWFH Proves th
 
The same could be said of TV tapings vs. house shows.

nevereveragainu 10-04-2012 02:02 PM

Re: Pay Per Views do not a help the wrestling business, artistically. CWFH Proves th
 
some have the artistic part down well enough its just a matter of cutting in to the 5% Vince doesn't have thats the trick

RoosterSmith 10-04-2012 11:23 PM

Re: Pay Per Views do not a help the wrestling business, artistically. CWFH Proves th
 
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Originally Posted by SludgeHammer (Post 12093108)
Some interesting points though in a sense you point out the reason it works this way in the first line. It would be great to have more spontaneity in wrestling in the form of big matches, high spots and title changes on free TV but, given the PPV-centric way many wrestling companies operate where would the impetus for the fans to pay for the inevitable 'big' shows come from? PPVs generate revenue and without shaking up the entire structure of the way we view wrestling I can't see a way of not having 'big' moments occur on PPV. Not saying its a good thing, just that I find it hard to believe any company would move away from a proven profit-making structure in the name of providing a more spontaneous and exciting product for the fans.

I don't think they will either. The business side of things are more important. Without a good business you can't have good art.

However, I think it might work with newer promotions. For example, I wouldn't do PPV's. They could really hurt indy promotions if they don't work out. Although iPPV makes it easier.

I'm sure other promotions in the future won't bother with them either, as online advertising becomes a bigger market.

And even though WWE has halted their network for now, it might be ressurected years and years from now, you never no, that could end theoretically end PPV's for that promotion. Nothing lasts forever.

But for now? Yeah, any promotion doing PPV's should still do them and they will.

Quote:

Originally Posted by flag sabbath (Post 12093880)
The same could be said of TV tapings vs. house shows.

I don't really see that.

Quote:

Originally Posted by nevereveragainu (Post 12094100)
some have the artistic part down well enough its just a matter of cutting in to the 5% Vince doesn't have thats the trick

5% of the fan base?

nevereveragainu 10-05-2012 09:30 AM

Re: Pay Per Views do not a help the wrestling business, artistically. CWFH Proves th
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RoosterSmith (Post 12096041)


5% of the fan base?

5% of the entire industry

RoosterSmith 10-05-2012 08:44 PM

Re: Pay Per Views do not a help the wrestling business, artistically. CWFH Proves th
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by nevereveragainu (Post 12097176)
5% of the entire industry

yeah, McMahon has a pretty market share.

USAUSA1 10-06-2012 01:01 AM

Re: Pay Per Views do not a help the wrestling business, artistically. CWFH Proves th
 
Tv back in the day was used to sell house shows or LIVE EVENTS as they like to call it. Especially during the height of the Hulkamania era. WWE used to pimp the hell out of house shows. Then came Raw, Raw is the first wrestling show that didn't focus on building up house shows. That's the reason why Raw get all the praise even though WWE been on the USA network in primetime since the early 80's. Raw really put focus on the ppvs.

Every promotion is different. In Mexico, AAA and CMLL does not need ppv, everything airs on tv. Dave Marquez is one of the most smartest(great politicians) on the indy scene. He got connections everywhere, he broker the deal between NJPW/TNA. He help the NWA get a deal with Big Vision, brought Blue Demon to the NWA which led to a deal with Coca Cola(the only reason why Blue Demon became champion). He works for a tv station that allow CWFH to get a tv deal in L.A. He doesn't need ippv's or dvds because he makes money in other ways. TCW is the same way too. Companies like Chikara,PWG,etc. need ppvs/dvds to sell their shows. And the only way to sell ppvs/dvds is too off a blow off to a storyline.

RoosterSmith 10-06-2012 01:33 AM

Re: Pay Per Views do not a help the wrestling business, artistically. CWFH Proves th
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by USAUSA1 (Post 12099498)
Tv back in the day was used to sell house shows or LIVE EVENTS as they like to call it. Especially during the height of the Hulkamania era. WWE used to pimp the hell out of house shows. Then came Raw, Raw is the first wrestling show that didn't focus on building up house shows. That's the reason why Raw get all the praise even though WWE been on the USA network in primetime since the early 80's. Raw really put focus on the ppvs.

Every promotion is different. In Mexico, AAA and CMLL does not need ppv, everything airs on tv. Dave Marquez is one of the most smartest(great politicians) on the indy scene. He got connections everywhere, he broker the deal between NJPW/TNA. He help the NWA get a deal with Big Vision, brought Blue Demon to the NWA which led to a deal with Coca Cola(the only reason why Blue Demon became champion). He works for a tv station that allow CWFH to get a tv deal in L.A. He doesn't need ippv's or dvds because he makes money in other ways. TCW is the same way too. Companies like Chikara,PWG,etc. need ppvs/dvds to sell their shows. And the only way to sell ppvs/dvds is too off a blow off to a storyline.

facinating man. i never even heard of this Marquez guy. I don't watch MLL really.

I guess it can be done as long as you work hard on the business side of things.

I remember the days when TV was just for selling live event tickets. Dark days man, dark days ...

I guess I should give PPV's more props than I do. They have made things better.


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