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Old 09-12-2012, 08:29 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Hey guys, just thought i'd give my two cents about the current pwg product.

Don't you think PWG goes overboard with the amount of false finishes and time given to each match?
i find it absurd that an opener like famous b vs b.boy has about 10 false finishes and goes for nearly 15 minutes. i'm not one for having a smokey mountain type pacing to the matches but not every match on the card has to be so long and spot filled. some pacing to the card is always good. a good example of that would be dgusa.

also, in the last few years the quality of wrestlers in pwg has drastically gone down and alot of these new guys are just not upto that style of match. matches with the rockness monsters and taylor boys are WAY to sloppy and rehearsed looking when they do their 2,000 spot matches. near the end they're so burnt out that the actual finish looks weak.

sometimes the new talent look like a bunch of amateurs immitating what they've seen indy vets like christopher daniels and austin aries do.
i miss the days of arrogance and even hook bombery!

any thoughts?

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Old 09-12-2012, 08:34 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Hey guys, just thought i'd give my two cents about the current pwg product.

Don't you think PWG goes overboard with the amount of false finishes and time given to each match?
i find it absurd that an opener like famous b vs b.boy has about 10 false finishes and goes for nearly 15 minutes. i'm not one for having a smokey mountain type pacing to the matches but not every match on the card has to be so long and spot filled. some pacing to the card is always good. a good example of that would be dgusa.

also, in the last few years the quality of wrestlers in pwg has drastically gone down and alot of these new guys are just not upto that style of match. matches with the rockness monsters and taylor boys are WAY to sloppy and rehearsed looking when they do their 2,000 spot matches. near the end they're so burnt out that the actual finish looks weak.

sometimes the new talent look like a bunch of amateurs immitating what they've seen indy vets like christopher daniels and austin aries do.
i miss the days of arrogance and even hook bombery!

any thoughts?
Nope PWG is AWESOME they are a dream match kinda fed. PWG is like the only company that can make false finishes look cool.
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Old 09-12-2012, 09:19 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I admit, it is a bit overkill with the false finishes but in certain matches, it adds to it. The thing that gets me about PWG is the lack of storylines. Aside from Super Dragon/Kevin Steen, Hero/Tornado and the current Rick Knox/Young Bucks angle, there isn't much long term storylines being used. Other then that, PWG is 1 of the best indy promotions going today.
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There doesn't need to be storylines because that isn't what the intended goal is. If you run 10 shows a year, you can run 10 supershows a year. It works. Reseda is amazing.

Also, your point about RockNES and FTB is stupid because PWG has always had fairly not good local tag teams/talent to fill out the cards.
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PWG can go into overkill, and did so routinely last year. Ricochet and The Young Bucks had a particularly tendency to do stuff in the middle of a match that no one should kick out of, but I'm one of those purists who finds kicking out of a 450 to be a ridiculous waste.

But on Death to All but Metal, the most recent show I watched, almost everything seemed reasonable enough. Ricochet was an offender, but at least that was in the main event. And even at its nuttiest and spottiest, I love PWG. It's such a fun company.
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There doesn't need to be storylines because that isn't what the intended goal is. If you run 10 shows a year, you can run 10 supershows a year. It works. Reseda is amazing.

Also, your point about RockNES and FTB is stupid because PWG has always had fairly not good local tag teams/talent to fill out the cards.
Then what is the intended goal?

All I'm saying is I would like to see more storylines, as PWG has done a great job with them in the past. And half the shit the Young Bucks do would normally be the end of the match. I swear, it's like they do 49 different variations of the super kick in every match.

Another problem in PWG I've noticed is the selling.
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Would you rather have 3 good story lines or a story line for almost every guy on the roster that sucks and is not interesting. I think they put the time and effort into the little things and the payoff for those little things is huge. Like at night 2 of BOLA when Generico goes to make the tag and he sees Steen the place is going nuts and then he tags him just awesome. It took them 5 seconds to get a pop that another indy would need a year long feud to get.

They are the best thing going and are getting bigger without any interest in getting bigger. You know what I mean? The word of mouth is what's making them grow. The company isn't doing anything different from what they've been doing for years. They have the business model down and I hope it doesn't change.
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Absolutely not. I haven't followed PWG forever, but I do know a bit of the companies history and I'm not that impressed with the older product. As for the quality of wrestles, pwg might have the best wrestlers going in the usa right now, each card looks good, whether it delivers or not is up to them.
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Would you rather have 3 good story lines or a story line for almost every guy on the roster that sucks and is not interesting. I think they put the time and effort into the little things and the payoff for those little things is huge. Like at night 2 of BOLA when Generico goes to make the tag and he sees Steen the place is going nuts and then he tags him just awesome. It took them 5 seconds to get a pop that another indy would need a year long feud to get.

They are the best thing going and are getting bigger without any interest in getting bigger. You know what I mean? The word of mouth is what's making them grow. The company isn't doing anything different from what they've been doing for years. They have the business model down and I hope it doesn't change.
Thats the problem, it's not really any storylines. I'm yet to see BOLA and don't want to see results, so IDK how it turned out. But so far this year, the closest we have to a storyline is Rick Knox/Young Bucks. Other then that, it's just been matches thrown together and I know they've been like that for years but the indy talent pool isn't as deep as it used to be. So, IMO, it would be great to have some kind of steady storyline going to connect the shows together, instead of having random matches or have somebody challenge somebody else for the next show.

Not really bitter as PWG is my favorite company and the first indy I actually follow these days but I would like to see them grown.
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Thats the problem, it's not really any storylines. I'm yet to see BOLA and don't want to see results, so IDK how it turned out. But so far this year, the closest we have to a storyline is Rick Knox/Young Bucks. Other then that, it's just been matches thrown together and I know they've been like that for years but the indy talent pool isn't as deep as it used to be. So, IMO, it would be great to have some kind of steady storyline going to connect the shows together, instead of having random matches or have somebody challenge somebody else for the next show.

Not really bitter as PWG is my favorite company and the first indy I actually follow these days but I would like to see them grown.

Not too many things that you can say bad about PWG at all. With the product they are putting out there right now I am all in with them. The kool aid tastes great!

Also I love the format and the music they use for their preview video's on youtube.

Hey El Chapo sorry if I spoiled anything for you from BOLA
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