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Old 01-27-2013, 10:59 AM   #531 (permalink)
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Go ended up looking like a chump dropping in his match against Sugiura and that was the beginning of their downfall.
NOAH's downfall begun much earlier, when they put the big strap on Marufuji back in 2006. Or even earlier, when the hot new prospect Champ, Takeshi Rikio, had his first defense against Saito. After dethroning KOBASHI.
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Old 01-27-2013, 11:21 AM   #532 (permalink)
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It actually started during Kobashi's reign. When they had 2 years to elevate and build someone as their next heavyweight star and didn't to shit about it. Rikio was a horrible choice, but they didn't have any other option at that point.

Having horrible booking for 4-5 years didn't help either.
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Old 01-27-2013, 11:22 AM   #533 (permalink)
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Lol at thinking Kensuke will acept the job to a Jr. he is still a freelancer so he decide if he want to lose or not, he didn't want to lose to Go and will want to lose to KENTA? yeah, right...

The reality is, KENTA still have the body and the high of a Jr. he's like Liger too small to look credible like a heavyeight even if he bulk up.

Did you know that the main event between KENTA and Maru for the belt in 2006 was the lowest attendance for a NOAH main event at that time? the reality is, in Japan you respect the division limits, so is highly difficult that a Jr it's able to do a credible reign for a heavyweight belt, unless he really bulk up for good. The only reason for KENTA and Maru to turn into heavy is that the NOAH roster is to fuckin thin, they make absolute no difference. So yes, KENTA with the shape of the company is destiny to failure.
Did also know in 2006 that guys like CM Punk and Daniel Bryan would be nowhere near the main event and wuld be at best midcarders? Did you also know that 2006 is coming close to almost 7 years ago? Things change and in the current era, it matters more about how good you are and how over you can get. Heck, Okada wasn't worth a damn the same time last year and now even the WWE is hunting for him. What KENTA has is the ability to look credible against anyone. Even in his Jr days(Yes, past tence since that is behind him), he was more believable against a guy like Morishima than a guy like Yone was.....that was during a time Morishima was bigger that what he is now. In all honesty, his size(Though he has bulked up for the last two) hasn't been as much of a issue as people have been trying to make it seem. I can't remember a time when the idea of KENTA going over a heavyweight drew a negative reaction. When he wrestled the then GHC Champion, Jun Akiyama, the crowd still rallied for him. I see no problem and quite honestly, I don't think anyone else does ether.

Oh and Kensuke drew with Sugiura awhile back. Even if he sees a KENTA loss beneath him, getting something out of him is better than nothing.

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And yes, look how many people is interested in the "hottest" act in the company

Show me the context of that. I don't see any wrestlers in the ring. Was this Pre show? Main Event? I mean I can take a picture of a a few people gathered before today's Royal Rumble but that doesn't mean it is the legit record for attendance now does it?
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They claimed 3,500. The Osaka Prectural Gymnasium holds 8,000 people and we know NOAH always boosts up their attendance.
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Kensuke lost to BIG BOSS SUGI in the Global League. Sugs is superior to the "I am bulked up and do chops" killer. Glad KENTA won the belt, that will atleast keep their current fanbase.
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They claimed 3,500. The Osaka Prectural Gymnasium holds 8,000 people and we know NOAH always boosts up their attendance.
It holds 6500 people. And there were pictures on twitter where it looked like there were more people than that in the building.
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KENTA winning the GHC Heavyweight Championship was a big surprise to me. For NOAH's sake I hope KENTA does well as champion and not flop like Naomichi Marufuji did.

One thing that KENTA winning did is making me want to watch that NOAH show when it comes out as I haven't seen a NOAH show in a long time.

For people who regularly watch NOAH, how often did KENTA compete against the heavyweight wrestlers prior to the title win?

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NOAH underclaiming an attendance?

Japanese mindset is different to the US fanbase. Juniors in main events doesn't draw well and traditionally never had. KENTA's still viewed as a babyface. Look at Marufuji's reign when NOAH was actually hot. Business wise NOAH is a lost cause. Once you lose the fans it's almost impossible to get them back invested in your product.
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NOAH had started cooling down months before Marufuji won the title. The Rikio disaster saw to that. NOAH panicking and cutting off the Marufuji experiment was a terrible decision in hindsight. Making that first Marufuji vs KENTA match a sink or swim deal with no undercard to speak of was a terrible decision. Years later when Marufuji and KENTA main evented the Budokan again with the double title match it actually drew.

Look back to how Tanahashi drew in his first reign as IWGP Champ compared to now. Sometimes you have to not panic and ride things out. New Japan rode it out and look where they are. NOAH panicked and look where they are.
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The problem with guys like Maru and KENTA on top is that it needs a complete change in the philosophy of the promotion and it's fans. And that's hard as fuck to do in a traditional puro promotion. Nowadays it doesn't matter because their fanbase is strictly hardcore and loyal fans that are going to watch no matter what.

Again. NOAH fucked things up in 2004, when they were hot as fuck and could've done the same things New Japan started doing in 2006 (post Lesnar). For whatever reason they were lazy and stupid and made one bad decision after another.
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