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He defeated Okada after Yujiro's Tokyo Pimps, Devitt's Bloody Sunday, and his Styles Clash. That's three finishers, two before the Styles Clash. Let's not jump to conclusions.
That wasn't really my point. No way he's going to gang rape everybody before his finishers in every match.

Plus, Tanahashi's styles Clash is so shitty that no one could possibly take his version seriously, anyway.
As good as Styles'.
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I can't see Styles changing the finisher he has used for the past decade. It's just one of those cases where a move is more devastating when performed by somebody else. A lot of people use the lariat, but not everybody finishes matches with it. Okada does.

NJPW matches aren't so much about sudden impactful finishes anyway as they are about logical builds to a finish of the match, such as Nakamura utilizing his knee until the opponent is finally unconscious. By ideal wrestling logic, even if you use a "finishing" move at the beginning of a match, the opponent should have enough to kick out of it, unless it's marketed as a complete killer move.

The finisher in many cases is simply the move that you prefer to use in order to put away a defeated opponent. Shibata has often used a regular kick to the chest as the finish after choking out his opponents with a sleeper hold.

Maybe Tanahashi will stop using it though, maybe not.


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Judging by the Dontaku booking, one thing is sure - we won't be getting great **** matches from Styles, not in this enviroment. It's obvious he's automatically positioned beneath the Top 3. They present him as a skilled gaijin, but not skilled enough to go over the big guns clean, he ain't no monster like Vader, Norton, Sapp or Lesnar to maul through the roster. Therefore he needs major assistance from his unit to win big matches. Now, that's fine and all, I'm a big Styles fan, but in that kind of booking, you could easily put Karl or Fale on AJ's place, since your Bullet Club guy wins by cheating anyway. Don't know why they bothered with AJ in that case, because New Japan fans are way more familiar with Karl, for example. But AJ brings few more international eyes to the product, I guess, so that's the point, and at the same time the management is confident enough that domestic numbers will not suffer.
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It's time guys, someone gotta either lose their mask or lose their hair!

5/5/2014 Aichi, Aichi Prefectural Gym ~DEAD or ALIVE 2014~
0. Ryotsu Shimizu (5:56 Kameari Kouen Mae Crab) Mondai Ryu{L}; Chihiro Tominaga
1. Cyber Kong{W}, Kzy (3:19 Cyber Bomb) Uhaa Nation, Shachihoko BOY{L}
2. Genki Horiguchi H.A.Gee.Mee!!, Jimmy Kagetora{W} (5:03 Kagenui) Gamma, Yosuke♡Santa Maria{L}
3. Bonus Match: Tatsumi Fujinami (1:49 Dragon Sleeper) Hollywood Stalker Ichikawa
4. Open the Brave Gate Championship Match: Flamita (13:26 Flame Fly) Jimmy Susumu
*1st Defense
5. Open the Twin Gate Championship Match: Akira Tozawa{W}, Shingo Takagi (14:26 Package German Suplex Hold) Masaaki Mochizuki{L}, Don Fujii
*4th Defense
6. Open the Triangle Gate Championship Match: T-Hawk{W}, Eita, U-T (14:56 Night Ride) K-ness, Dragon Kid, Super Shisa{L}
7. Open the Dream Gate Championship Match: YAMATO (22:47 Gallaria) Ricochet
*Ricochet fails in his 2nd Defense, YAMATO becomes the 19th Champion
8. Steel Cage Survival 6 Way Match ~ Scapegoat Mascara contra Cabellera~: Naruki Doi vs. BxB Hulk vs. Jimmy Kanda vs. Mr. Quu Quu Tanizaki Naoki Toyonaka Dolphin vs. Masato Yoshino vs. CIMA
*The scapegoat of the last competitor in the cage will lose their mask or hair. The scapegoats are:
CIMA: Dragon Kid, Yoshino: Shachihoko BOY, Tanizaki: Genki Horiguchi H.A.Gee.Mee!!, Kanda: Jimmy Susumu, Doi: Kzy, Hulk: Cyber Kong

-Escape Order: CIMA (22:00); Kanda (25:17); Tanizaki (28:42), Yoshino (35:34); Hulk (47:15
-Doi loses the match, Kzy loses his hair

Match 3 was added as a surprise bonus match.

The cage match featured the usual variety of weapons from the outside. CIMA survived a torrent of water bottles and a cake to the face to escape. After escaping, Kanda scaled it from the outside to strike the remaining participants with the box. Ryo Saito made an appearance and pleaded with him to spare Tanizaki. Kanda did, allowing Tanizaki to escape. Hulk had a chance to escape, but would be leaving Doi alone with Yoshino. He opted to return, but Doi quickly turned on him. Shachihoko BOY had his mask removed on the outside by Kong, sending him backstage. He returned as Shachihoko Machine, the guardian of Nagoya Castle, to assist Yoshino in his escape. Yoshino & Kanda brawled on the outside. All of MAD BLANKEY, including Kong for whatever reason, attempted to prevent Hulk from escaping. They used eggs, fireworks, and whatever else they could get their hands on. The Aichi fans chanted for Hulk. In the end, he got the final flag, leaving Doi as the loser. Kzy had his head shaved clean.

After the haircut, Yoshino got into it with Kanda over their brawl on the outside. The cage match was over, but their fight isn't. Kanda didn't care, he would fight whoever. He wasn't done with Doi, either. Tanizaki showed the renewed Jimmyz unity by saying the enemy of Kanda was his enemy.

YAMATO decided to settle things in MB. The match was over, Kzy took his haircut like man, and he had recaptured the Dream Gate. He demanded a handshake between Doi & Hulk. Hulk hesitated, but eventually complied. The peace didn't last long, as he quickly delivered a First Flash to both YAMATO & Doi! After dealing with all the attacks from the outside and all the problems lately, he didn't need MAD BLANKEY. He would fight on his own. He thanked the fans for getting behind him in the final stages of the match. He admitted he was scared of what would happen next. But, he hoped the fans would support the reborn BxB Hulk. He stripped away all of his red & yellow accessories as the show came to a close.


Haven't seen the show but from what I hear this should have been one of the best shows this weekend, better than Extreme Rules and Wrestling Dontaku, all the title matches should have been very good to watch, looking forward to watching it.

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Okada lost.

Well, NJPW hasn't steered me wrong so far, so I'll see where this goes. Glad AJ is doing something, but I don't think he was the right guy to take the belt off Okada. I'd have rather had Shibata do it, the feud and matches would have been fantastic, and it gives Shibata the elevation he needs to the main event. The guy is ridiculously talented. Him, or Minoru Suzuki because...its Suzuki and he's fucking awesome. AJ...I dunno, they keep trying to push the Bullet Club as this big, main event stable, and while I do really like the Bullet Club, one thing I've always liked about NJPW is that when it comes to the main event, they left the overbooking out and gave us straight up great matches with definitive results. This was overbooked, with all the interference. On top of that, I've never been a fan of the whole mentality that a guy can just walk in and win the top title in his first match. I'd like to see him get built up a bit first. If anything, I'd have given the belt to Machine Gun, since he's the Bullet Club leader, and he and Okada have more history that I'd like to see played up. As much as I love AJ, him holding the IWGP belt just feels off. There were other Okada feuds that I'd have much rather seen.

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Dragon Gate show was fucking incredible. Might be the best show I've seen all year. Goddamn they are on fire.
Not to mention the based god YAMATO has that title back thank you based god YAMATO for removing the filth of the gaijin Ricochet from the Dream Gate title and bringing the belt back to glorious Japan.

Y'all need to get off the Shibata train too. That's my bubba and all but damn.

And the main event had to be overbooked. Okada's had that title for a shit long time. They couldn't pin him clean. If it was Tanahashi or Nakamura or even Goto and Naito then Okada would have lost clean as a whistle. There was a 0% chance that AJ was winning that belt without any help. The 3 big boys of New Japan are Tanahashi, Nakamura and Okada. Do these men get pinned in tag matches? Hardly ever. Do they get pinned in singles matches that aren't G1 clean? Not really and if they do they only pin each other.

Outside of G1/NJC/tag matches the only people that have pinned Nakamura clean are Tanahashi, La Sombre and Rush. The latter of the 2 in Mexico. The last guy that pinned Shinsuke that wasn't a tournament, not a tag, not in Mexico and not Tanahashi? Naito in 2012

What about Okada? Let's apply the same rules. Suzuki in February of last year.

Tanahashi? Devitt almost a year ago. But wait Bullet Club showed up so nope. The closest thing we have that isn't one of the other two is fucking Go Shiozaki in NOAH in 2010.

New Japan are overprotective of their 3 aces to the point where it hurts the product. As for someone saying they liked that they didn't know AJ moves? That's the massive issue with the whole thing. Japanese fans don't know what Styles does in the ring all that well. They can't react to him. They don't know what's coming next, they don't really know any of his big moves minus the Styles Clash. They can't really take AJ seriously because they don't really know him. He's wrestled in the company before sure but that was years ago. I totally agree they could have put Anderson or Fale in AJ's position but I guess they're banking on foreign fans to get excited about it. Too bad I'd rather see Fale, Anderson, Naito, Goto, Shibata, Ishii, Suzuki, even Yujiro go after and win the heavyweight title before AJ Styles. It is what it is however. The booking has been shit for a while and it doesn't look like it's going to improve anytime soon.

That Yokohama card ain't impressive so what they draw is going to be really interesting. Is the brand itself a big enough draw or do you need big, headlining main events to attract fans? Outside of something like Shibata vs Tanahashi for the belt which isn't going happen in the near future the only thing New Japan has saved is Okada vs Nakamura. I don't see any sign of that coming either.

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The booking has been shit? I don't know about that. Styles with the belt freshens thing up and puts focus on the Bullet Club as the main heel stable. It give Yujiro something to do with his backstabbing angle.

The only thing wasting time is the Gracies and the NWA guys are all undercard so that is meh (nothing too bad to cry over).

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Okada/Nakamura can still happen but will likely be for the IC title. I presume Okada will feud with Yujiro after his rematch with AJ while Nakamura stays busy with the Gracies. The Gracies can GTFO btw.

Anyway, once both are done with these filler feuds, I can see Okada finally challenging Nakamura for the IC title since Shinsuke's beaten pretty much everyone else.

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The booking has been shit? I don't know about that. Styles with the belt freshens thing up and puts focus on the Bullet Club as the main heel stable. It give Yujiro something to do with his backstabbing angle.
Eh, let it go. People always overreact and talk in hyperboles. That's just the way it is, WWE/TNA/NJPW/indies, you name it. Same people create precise booking scenarios in their dreams only to get pissed off when things don't play out their way. That's what happens when you take pro-graps too seriously.
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Steel Cage Survival 6 Way Match (Dragon Gate Dead or Alive 2014) ****

Searched for the show online last night and found this match.
It was so hilarious, CIMA catching a water balloon in the face was gold. Weird that Kong tried to stop Hulk from escaping as his mask was on the line.

Wrestling Dontaku 2014

Young Bucks/Hooligans - ok
Yano,Iizuke/Suzuki,Benjamin - dud
Kojima/Brisco - dud
Goto,Shibata/Nagata,Nakanishi - ok
Ibushi/Taguichi - ok
Ishii/Honma - really good
Elimination Match - ok
Wrestling/Jiu-Jitsu - dud
IWGP Title match - ok

Disappointed in the main event and the Wrestling/Jiu-Jitsu match.
Think i've seen maybe two Honma matches before watching this show, so i didn't know what to expect.

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