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post #1001 of 3315 (permalink) Old 04-08-2013, 01:59 PM
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I think everyone is underestimating how seriously knee injuries tend to affect workers. There is no guarantee that Naito will be anything like the same kind of wrestler he was before he left. Best bet is a nice long 6+ defenses for Okada.



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I think everyone is underestimating how seriously knee injuries tend to affect workers. There is no guarantee that Naito will be anything like the same kind of wrestler he was before he left. Best bet is a nice long 6+ defenses for Okada.


Kind of nasty of you to hope his injury is long enough to let Okada have his title run.

People have recovered from worse. I think Naito won't have quite the same style as before, but I don't think his injury is such that he won't be the same ever again. And he's been in healing for quite a while now.
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I can't wait for to see who faces Nakamura for the IWGP I see (the real championship in NJPW). Whether it is singles or tag team, Nakamura always steals the show when the title is on the line. He, Minoru and Ishii are the best wrestlers in New Japan today, by miles.
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I can't wait for to see who faces Nakamura for the IWGP I see (the real championship in NJPW). Whether it is singles or tag team, Nakamura always steals the show when the title is on the line. He, Minoru and Ishii are the best wrestlers in New Japan today, by miles.
You lost me. No Sakuraba? Tanahashi? Why Ishii? He had a solid match with Goto but I don't think he has more than four moves and the thing people hype up about him is that he hits hard.
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Kind of nasty of you to hope his injury is long enough to let Okada have his title run.

People have recovered from worse. I think Naito won't have quite the same style as before, but I don't think his injury is such that he won't be the same ever again. And he's been in healing for quite a while now.
No no, sorry man. I certainly didn't wish his injury is longer. I am a huge Naito fan, I am just saying there is a really good chance that he won't be able to wrestle the same style when he returns, because that happens so often with those kinds of knee injuries to high flyers. For all we know, Naito may have to overhaul his entire moveset. Instead of taking a chance pushing Naito all at once, Okada is a sure thing right now. sorry that came off so badly!

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Sakuraba isn't a good standalone worker. He is awesome when someone like Shinsuke can accent his strengths, but I wouldn't bet on him having great singles matches with any person he is against.

that's why I think Okada is the best wrestler in the world right now. He can have great matches with anyone, in my opinion, and he has shown that fact all year.

Tanahashi is fine, but there are just too many other workers that are better than him. He is a great draw, and a darn good worker, but he is outgunned by all the guys carlton mentioned. (and I would add Okada to that, as well)

I have heard exactly ZERO people say they like Ishii because he hits hard. People like Ishii because he plays the underdog better than anyone in wrestling right now. His comebacks are incredible and he wins crowds over by coming off as someone who works hard despite size disadvantages.

1. Okada
2. Shinsuke
3. Misu
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1. Okada
2. Shinsuke
3. Misu
4. Ishii
5. Tanahashi
Hmm, that's interesting. I have the same guys, but entirely different places.

1. Shinsuke - I mean, he hasn't had any Five Star arguable matches since I'd say, two years ago maybe, but the man doesn't even have decent matches anymore, against anyone. Greatness is his standard.

2. Tanahashi - He may be NJPW's Cena, but even with his formula, you never expect anything less than a good or great match.

4. Okada - Still a young guy, still working out the kinks and quarks. But he's my favorite wrestler right now for a reason. The man has a moveset that's awesome, can sell pretty dang well, and is charismatic as hell. All he needs is more experience and to up his game on the mic, and he will be THE ace of New Japan, bar none. Not just the future.

4. Ishii - The Hero of Korakuen is on a freaken roll, and nobody on the roster can pull off the face in peril/underdog like he can. Hell, since Generico's in the E, nobody in the world can pull it off like he can. If he keeps this up, he might rise up a rank or two.

5. Misu - When he is on, he can whip out some epic matches. But he's not consistent. There are times when he just goes through the motions.



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Agree that MiSu has a tendency to go through the motions sometimes. Saying that he's still a great worker and I enjoy his stuff 99% of the time, and he definitely knows when to pull out an amazing performance or two.

But yeah, I'd say those 5 would make up my list too. Might be forgetting someone. Anderson is honestly fighting with Ishii for that 5th place though especially after his performance in the Tana match.
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No no, sorry man. I certainly didn't wish his injury is longer. I am a huge Naito fan, I am just saying there is a really good chance that he won't be able to wrestle the same style when he returns, because that happens so often with those kinds of knee injuries to high flyers. For all we know, Naito may have to overhaul his entire moveset. Instead of taking a chance pushing Naito all at once, Okada is a sure thing right now. sorry that came off so badly!
Ah, my mistake then. I like Naito and I get worried over this injury of his now. I must apologize myself, I took that completely out of context.


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Sakuraba isn't a good standalone worker. He is awesome when someone like Shinsuke can accent his strengths, but I wouldn't bet on him having great singles matches with any person he is against.

that's why I think Okada is the best wrestler in the world right now. He can have great matches with anyone, in my opinion, and he has shown that fact all year.

Tanahashi is fine, but there are just too many other workers that are better than him. He is a great draw, and a darn good worker, but he is outgunned by all the guys carlton mentioned. (and I would add Okada to that, as well)

I have heard exactly ZERO people say they like Ishii because he hits hard. People like Ishii because he plays the underdog better than anyone in wrestling right now. His comebacks are incredible and he wins crowds over by coming off as someone who works hard despite size disadvantages.

1. Okada
2. Shinsuke
3. Misu
4. Ishii
5. Tanahashi
Hmm, interesting. I still don't see it with Ishii, but he doesn't get a huge amount of visibility so maybe I should see more on him.

I think Shinsuke is the #1 worker, Okada is good, maybe a solid #3 spot. Tanahashi had a very good 2011, his best year in terms of work I think, so I tend to judge it off of that, but fair enough, he hasn't been quite as good as he was two years back.
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I'm currently rewatching the 2013 New Japan Cup tournament before watching the Okada vs Tanahashi match from this weekend just so i can take in the full scope of the road for Okada. Its been fun and I really, really enjoyed this years Cup and I'm just loving NJPW as a whole.

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NJPW has such a sound heavyweight division right now with great guys like Yujiro, Tanahashi, Makebe, Anderson, Okada, Nagata, Tenzan, Nakamura, DBS Jr, Lance Archer, Naito, Kojima, Goto, and other notables. It's great to see true pro wrestling represented within such a great group of competitors and I really hope that the fans world-wide are watching the shows and ordering the iPPV's.

I kind of wish they performed in front of a larger audience though, it seemed like in the 90's and early 2000's that NJPW held shows in bigger venue's and drew larger live crowds. Any input on this?

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