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**KingCrash** · 02-06-2012, 12:14 PM

Announced for A Death Worse Then Fate:

And the roster page has been updated with the departure of Sugar Dunkerton and the return of Vin Gerard.

RoosterSmith · 02-06-2012, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Neutronic

A lot of shows dont have title matches

But a title match every show would be idiotic

Not for me. This isn't ROH, WWE or TNA. If you only do 12 shows a year or if you do sparatic shows, then you have to defend the belts.

It could be percieved as idiotic for those promotions because they're doing mulitple shows every month.

But Indy promotions don't. Why would I wanna go to a show that doesn't mean anything. I need something on the line.

Besides, it makes things more interesting.

**KingCrash** · 02-07-2012, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by RoosterSmith

Not for me. This isn't ROH, WWE or TNA. If you only do 12 shows a year or if you do sparatic shows, then you have to defend the belts.

It could be percieved as idiotic for those promotions because they're doing mulitple shows every month.

But Indy promotions don't. Why would I wanna go to a show that doesn't mean anything. I need something on the line.

Besides, it makes things more interesting.

But every tag match does mean something because it either means the team is moving up and gets one more point to challenge for the titles (which means they deserve the shot unlike some title matches) or get one lose and have to start the climb from zero all over again. If you had title matches every show then sometimes you'd have to put teams in that should be that high up on a card and you get a less then stellar match which helps no one in the end.

**Dyer Consequences** · 02-07-2012, 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by RoosterSmith

Not for me. This isn't ROH, WWE or TNA. If you only do 12 shows a year or if you do sparatic shows, then you have to defend the belts.

It could be percieved as idiotic for those promotions because they're doing mulitple shows every month.

But Indy promotions don't. Why would I wanna go to a show that doesn't mean anything. I need something on the line.

Besides, it makes things more interesting.

If you need to know one thing about Chikara, it's that everything means something in the grand scheme of things.

Also, this is not PWG. CHIKARA does way more than 12 shows a year. There will be 10 shows by the end of the Aniversario weekend in late May.

xzeppelinfootx · 02-07-2012, 12:20 AM

Trust me between Young Lions Cup Matches, Grand Championship defenses, and tag title matches (even them alone) there are definitely enough title matches to keep you interested. And between the three, its not uncommon to find a title match of some sort on every show (or almost). If not multiple, especially this season.

But yea like was already said, the point system alone leads to a more meaningful, dynamic, and competitive tag division. Which leads to a more meaningful undercard really.

Neutronic · 02-07-2012, 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by RoosterSmith

Not for me. This isn't ROH, WWE or TNA. If you only do 12 shows a year or if you do sparatic shows, then you have to defend the belts.

It could be percieved as idiotic for those promotions because they're doing mulitple shows every month.

But Indy promotions don't. Why would I wanna go to a show that doesn't mean anything. I need something on the line.

Besides, it makes things more interesting.

Want to know what happens when you overdo title defenses?

See Nigel McGuiness vs Ruckus

**smitlick** · 02-07-2012, 04:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Neutronic

Want to know what happens when you overdo title defenses?

See Nigel McGuiness vs Ruckus

No thats just called bad booking.

JoeRulz · 02-07-2012, 06:11 AM

How 'bout that 1st DVD? When it's coming out?

**Dyer Consequences** · 02-07-2012, 06:14 AM

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Originally Posted by JoeRulz

How 'bout that 1st DVD? When it's coming out?

I heard it'll be tomorrow.

Green Ant/Ophidian looks stellar. I call shenanigans of some kind.

Neither can afford a loss of any kind at this point.

jawbreaker · 02-07-2012, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Neutronic

Want to know what happens when you overdo title defenses?

See Nigel McGuiness vs Ruckus

stop using that as an example, that was just bad booking, and Nigel basically squashed him. nobody got hurt by that except Ruckus and who gives a fuck about Ruckus.

go with Necro Butcher if you want to talk about how Gabe ran out of title match ideas at the end of his run.

you're right because this is CHIKARA and they shouldn't have title matches all the time, but for five-plus years ROH made having title defenses all the time work great and just because Gabe started to suck in 2008 doesn't mean frequent defenses are bad.