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#1 ·
I'll try and keep it current, no promises though.

2012 Event Calender

"The Thirteenth Hat"
Saturday, January 28th - Easton, PA
Results.

"A Death Worse Than Fate"
Saturday, February 25th - Reading, PA
Results.

"Caught in the Spider's Den"
Sunday, February 26th - Long Island, NY
Results.

"Green Ice"
Saturday, March 24th - Vaughan, ONT
Results.

"It’s How You Play the Game"
Sunday, March 25th - Ottawa, ONT
Results.

"I’ll Be a Mummy’s Uncle"
Saturday, April 14th - Rahway, NJ
Results.

"Hot Off the Griddle"
Saturday, April 28th - Chicago, IL
Results

"The Contaminated Cowl"
Sunday, April 29th - Lafayette, IN
Results.

"Aniversario: A Horse of Another Color"
Saturday, May 19th - Easton, PA
Results.

"Aniversario: The Ogg and I"
Sunday, May 20th - Manhattan, NY
Results.

"Chikarasaurus Rex: How to Hatch a Dinosaur"
Saturday, June 2nd - Philadelphia, PA
Results.

"The Foggiest Notion"
Saturday, June 23rd - Strathroy, ONT
Results.

"Smack in the Middle"
Sunday, June 24th - Syracuse, NY
Results.

"The Great Escape"
Saturday, July 28th - Portland, ME
Results.

"Give 'em the Axe"
Sunday, July 29th - Everett, MA
Results.

"Shoot a Crooked Arrow"
Friday, August 17th - Milwaukee, WI
Results.


"The Ring of Wax"
Saturday, August 18th - Indianapolis, IN
Results.

"King of Trios 2012"
Friday - Sunday, September 14th through 16th
Results.

"Deep Freeze"
Saturday, October 6th - Piedmont, AL
Results.

"The Zodiac Crimes"
Sunday, October 7th - Burlington, NC
Results.

"Zelda the Great"
Saturday, November 10th - Chicago, IL
Featuring Special Guests Da Soul Touchaz!
Rematch from Milwaukee! - Mike Quackenbush vs. Colt Cabana

"A Piece of the Action"
Sunday, November 11th - Cleveland, OH
An Awe-Inspiring Atomico! - 3.0, Akuma & El Generico vs. The Young Bucks & The Bravado Brothers

"The Cibernetico Rises"
Sunday, November 18th - Manhattan, NY

Grand Champion of Chikara - Eddie Kingston - History

Campeonatos de Parejas - The Young Bucks (Matt & Nick Jackson) - History

Young Lions Cup - "Mr. Touchdown" Mark Angelosetti - History

2011 Tournament Winners
King Of Trios - The Colony (Fire, Soldier & Green Ant)
Rey De Voladores - El Generico
Young Lions Cup Tournament - Tadasuke
Torneo Cibernetico - Sara Del Rey

2012 Tournament Winners
King Of Trios - ?????????
Rey De Voladores - ????????
Young Lions Cup Tournament - "Mr. Touchdown" Mark Angelosetti
Torneo Cibernetico - ????????

December 9th, 2011 - Ophidian

December 16th, 2011 - Icarus

December 23rd, 2011 - Veronica of The Band

December 30th, 2011 - Tim Donst

January 6, 2012 - Green Ant

January 13, 2012 - Ultramantis Black

January 20, 2012 - Jigsaw

January 24, 2012 - Scott Parker

January 26, 2012 - Archibald Peck

January 27, 2012 - Ophidian

January 31, 2012 - Icarus

Feburary 1, 2012 - Wink Vavasseur

Feburary 3, 2012 - Sugar Dunkerton

Feburary 7, 2012 - Sara Del Rey

Feburary 10, 2012 - Wink Vavasseur

Feburary 13, 2012 - Johnny Gargano

Feburary 14, 2012 - Mr. Touchdown

Feburary 15, 2012 - Eddie Kingston

Feburary 16, 2012 - Scott Parker

Feburary 20, 2012 - Ophidian

Feburary 22, 2012 - Jigsaw

Feburary 23, 2012 - Derek Sabato

Feburary 24, 2012 - UltraMantis Black

Feburary 27, 2012 - Wink Vavasseur

March 8, 2012 - Icarus

March 12, 2012 - Scott Parker

March 15, 2012 - Ophidian

March 19, 2012 - Derek Sabato

March 21, 2012 - Jakob Hammermeier

March 23, 2012 - Shane Matthews

March 30, 2012 - Gran Akuma

April 3, 2012 - Wink Vavasseur

April 4, 2012 - UltraMantis Black

April 5, 2012 - Archibald Peck

April 13, 2012 - Delirious

April 16, 2012 - Derek Sabato

April 20, 2012 - Delirious

April 24, 2012 - Ophidian

April 27, 2012 - Delirious

April 30, 2012 - Derek Sabato

May 2, 2012 - assailANT

May 4, 2012 - Mike Quackenbush

May 7, 2012 - Ophidian

May 8, 2012 - Saturyne

May 9, 2012 - The Shard

May 10, 2012 - Wink Vavasseur

May 11, 2012 - Tim Donst

May 14, 2012 - UltraMantis Black

May 16, 2012 - deviANT

May 18, 2012 - Jigsaw

May 21, 2012 - Chuck Taylor

May 23, 2012 - 17

May 25, 2012 - Veronica

May 28, 2012 - Jakob Hammermeier

May 29, 2012 - Gran Akuma

May 30, 2012 - combatANT

May 31, 2012 - Green Ant

June 1, 2012 - Delirious

June 6, 2012 - Wink Vavasseur

June 13, 2012 - Derek Sabato

June 20, 2012 - Sugar Dunkerton

June 22, 2012 - Delirious

June 25, 2012 - Mr. Touchdown

June 27, 2012 - Sara Del Rey

June 29, 2012 - Ophidian

July 6, 2012 - Wink Vavasseur

July 9, 2012 - Sugar Dunkerton

July 11, 2012 - Green Ant

July 6, 2012 - Leonard F. Chikarason

July 18, 2012 - Wink Vavasseur

July 23, 2012 - Icarus

July 26, 2012 - Jakob Hammermeier

July 29, 2012 - Green Ant

August 6, 2012 - 17

August 8, 2012 - Mike Quackenbush

August 14, 2012 - Jakob Hammermeier

August 16, 2012 - Scott Parker

August 21, 2012 - Derek Sabato

August 22, 2012 - Wink Vavasseur

Auguest 29, 2012 - Delirious]

August 31, 2012 - Jigsaw

September 10, 2012 - Veronica

September 11, 2012 - combatANT

September 12, 2012 - Gran Akuma

September 13, 2012 - Tim Donst

September 14, 2012 - Mike Quackenbush

September 28, 2012 - Derek Sabato

October 1, 2012 - Harlem Bravado

October 3, 2012 - Sugar Dunkerton

October 5, 2012 - Mike Quackenbush

October 12, 2012 - Jakob Hammermeier

October 16, 2012 - Ophidian

October 19, 2012 - Green Ant

October 23, 2012 - Tim Donst

October 25, 2012 - Sapphire

October 30, 2012 - Derek Sabato

November 1, 2012 - deviANT



 
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#326 ·
saying it now, 3.0 losing the belts so quickly is b.s. want to make a tag team look weak, and your tag belts look pointless, have a team get points just so they can win on home soil and lose a month later, super attractive quality to the company. just like d-bry getting booted in the face at wrestlemania, this shows a total disrespect for the titles. first time repeat title holders in F.I.S.T, what are the chances 3.0 repeats?
 
#327 ·
Well to be fair they really didn't beat Gargano & Taylor, but it does fit with their overall career in Chikara. Get a point, lose it. Get two, lose them. Get three but lose them before they can cash it in. Get three and cash it in, but can't win the titles. Finally win the titles, lose them on the first defense. Still sucks because Bucks/3.0 would be good and 3.0 deserved a little run with belts.
 
#328 ·
this is all very true. i guess one of my concerns is the blog Jagged put up before the Canadian shows saying he might now be able to handle a loss and not winning the belts. well they won the belts and competed in a trios match, and atomicos. Then they lose the belts during their next tag matches. I concern that the team will break up, not that they lost the belts. i don't see them beating the Gekido in their next tag match but hopefully they try and build up points to win again. Also, i do like gorgano and taylor, they make a solid tag team. i don't think they are so good that they should have been the first team to repeat as winners. however, i am glad that chikara kicked that streak because i can't think of another company who has never had repeat tag team champs. hopefully 3.0 can come back again, because honestly they're my fav tag team.
 
#330 ·
A Original F.I.S.T. vs. New F.I.S.T. feud would be good, but if they were going that direction I think the finish from Hot Off The Griddle should have been different. Maybe 3.0 will get another shot in Canada but it's still weird that a Canadian team can't get one defense under their belt after they win the titles.
 
#332 ·
Wut, but congrats is in order to F.I.S.T I guess, it's a pretty good notch in the belt they got themselves there.

And to other things, I don't know if you guys know, I first paid true attention to it this weekend, but you can now instead of buying the dvds of SmarkMarkVideo just buy an MP4 file where they'll send you a download link and then you've got the show, it's faster than buying the dvds and cheaper (dvd price is about $15 where the MP4 deal is $9.99) just thought I'd inform you guys, if you're looking for a cheaper way getting Chikara shows and still support the company :)

And Ophidian, man, he's had a pretty freaking good 2012 huh, I liked him before, but now he's becoming one of my favorite guys in Chikara, I've warmed up to his look finally, I like his crazy promos, his matches are good, his story with UMB is interesting, they need to fuck up pretty badly to make me dislike him by now, and yet he's not praised much though he's one of the most interesting guys to watch in the company, a shame if you ask me.
 
#335 ·


Matchup set for Night One of Aniversario. Between this and Dasher/Colt the next night as others have suggested it looks like for the iPPV it might be setting up The Throwbacks vs. Colt and Mixed Martial Archie in a tag.
 
#337 ·
Update time.

The Ring of Wax
Saturday, August 18th
Indianapolis, IN

Zelda the Great
Saturday, November 10th
Chicago, IL


5/2/2012: The Colony. The chosen ones. The favorite sons. So adored by the fans. So admired by the roster. Belts and Cups and tournaments - you've won them all.

Would the legions of fans that support you still cheer you if they could see your faces? If those masks were taken away, would anyone care about you three? Or would you end up like a thousand other independent wrestlers dying to be noticed...dying for applause...dying for what is rightfully theirs?

Would three nobodies - THREE COMPLETE ZEROES - be worthy of applause without "ant" at the end of their names?



Do you think I could win the Young Lions Cup? Do you think I could tour Europe, or Japan? I guess I can now! Because I have a costume! I have a mask! That's all it takes to please the CHIKARMY. That's all it takes to be the next outstanding product of the Wrestle Factory!

I have all the skills you have. I have all the talent. And now that I've donned the right persona, what's going to stop me?


assailANT

 
#339 ·
Totally getting a kick out of Mixed Martial Archie, adding Cabana to the mix will make for some guaranteed funny stuff.

Tim Donst has been doing some great stuff. I have a soft spot for brash, abrasive loudmouths and he's shining right now.
 
#342 ·
Will have to check out Hot Off The Griddle, didn't know it was already out.




Should be fun though I think Zero or Dragonfly is getting taken out by 17.
 
#343 ·
Well, seems like Quack has figured out 3 out of 5 of the GEKIDO people

5/4/2012: You showed me something, GEKIDO. You really showed me something in Chicago Ridge. I'm not talking about what you did to Tianlong, who, thanks to you, will go down as the shortest-lived Wrestle Factory grad of all time. That young man's entire wrestling career lasted 65 seconds because of you. No, you showed me something else entirely.
You want to sully our name? You've got some secrets you want to expose? You want the world to know something? Me too.

Three of you are Jose and the two Franks. You're wash-outs. Quitters. Rather than tough it out, show some heart, and stick things through, just before your pro debuts you threw in the towel and vanished into the ether. Did you complete your training somewhere else? Or maybe you couldn't hack that either and you quit again. Took the easy road...which is exactly what you're doing now.

While I haven't figured out who you other two are, I do know the Franks and Jose. Well enough to spot the way you still dip your shoulder blade into an arm drag, Jose. How many hours were spent at my Wrestle Factory trying to correct your sloppy technique? Here we are, all these years later, and I guess you still haven't been bothered to clean up your game. Never thought I'd see that in a CHIKARA ring.

But of course, that is exactly the point. You don't belong in a CHIKARA ring. You haven't earned it. The Colony, Jigsaw, Eddie Kingston, Hallowicked...the list of people that have earned it goes on and on. They had the heart. They made the committment. They made the sacrifices. Not you three, and I'm betting the same is true of you other two losers as well. Birds of a feather, they say.

If pro-wrestling was easy, everyone would do it. But it's not. It takes time. It takes hard work. It takes persistence. It takes passion. And if you don't have, can't muster, or otherwise fail to invent those things then simply put you don't have what it takes to be a professional wrestler. You certainly don't have what it takes to graduate from my Wrestle Factory. And you don't deserve to take up one pixel of space on the CHIKARA roster page either.



You failures think because you write some blogs, send some tweets, post a few videos and then try to politic your way to what everyone else scraped and sweated for that somehow that's just OK? Why do you get a pass? Because Derek Sabato likes the cut of your jib? Because Wink Vavasseur is a softie for a sob story?

Well pin your ears back you wash-outs, and listen well. The CHIKARAverse is populated by men and women who give their all not just when the lights are shining brightly upon them and the world is paying attention. They give their all at every practice, on every road trip, in every sparring session, and at every live event in any way the day demands. They don't whine and complain and cry about it on Twitter or on message forums. They don't find some back door to sneak through so as to circumvent the right way of doing things. No, they are made of sterner stuff than that. They respect the way things are done. Each and everyone of them. And just seeing your pictures alongside theirs on the roster page has my stomach doing moonsaults.

I take immense pride in my proteges, the men and women I have trained these last 10+ years. And your presence here makes a mockery of that. The notoriety we enjoy today, the global fan-following...we didn't always have that. Certainly not when I last saw the likes of you, GEKIDO. Things were tough in the early days. We barely survived month to month. You walked away.

But look at CHIKARA now. No wonder you're jealous. No wonder you're filled with spite. Because if you had the guts, if you had the heart, if you had the cojones to stick it out, maybe it would have been you atop Mount CHIKARA. But I doubt it.

You ask Eddie Kingston. Our Grand Champion. The man atop the mountain. Ask him about the painfully hot nights spent on the canvas tied in knots at the Wrestle Factory. I've seen him scream in agony. You know why? Because I'm the one that made him scream. And someone cut from a different cloth might look back at something like that and call it abuse. They might call it inhuman. The tests he endured. The things I put him through. You ask Eddie Kingston. Ask him if he regrets a moment of it. Ask him if he went home and cried to his friends about how hard, how challenging, how taxing it was to become a professional wrestler. You ask him and you know what?

He'll look at that golden belt of his. And he'll get that half-smirk that works it's way across his face. And he'll backfist the taste right out of your mouth. Be glad the first thing you five pieces of crap did was take me out of the game. I hope that bit of therapy was worth it. Because there are five men in your future that will do more than avenge me. They will teach you the lesson I never did.


LMQ
 
#345 ·
New match announced for Aniversario: A Horse of Another Color


Alright guys, we now know the identity of The Swarm who we've established are Jose and the two Franks, this time, lets focus on one of the two men we don't know, The Shard......BLOG TIME

5/9/2012: The landscape of CHIKARA is a lot like a puzzle, isn't it? Every piece fits neatly together. But what happens when there's a piece that doesn't fit?
Everything has fallen so neatly into place for you, Jigsaw. The first Cibernetico. The second Young Lions Cup. Not to mention the King of Trios or the Campeonatos you won with your maestro at your side. Maybe if all the pieces fall into place on May 20th, you'll be the next Grand Champion of CHIKARA. You'll have done it all. Won it all.

Our paths were so similar in the beginning, Jigsaw. We were a lot alike. The moves, the timing. We picked things up at almost the same pace. Almost. I was always quicker than you. Stronger, too. And definitely smarter than Kingston. Then your gang got kicked out, had to find somewhere new to train. I remember that day, seeing you pack up your car for the last time. You said to me - come along. Come to Chikara Wrestle Factory.



Why would I? CHIKARA was barely making it from month to month. I watched a tape of theirs called "Baila, Parka, Baila" to see what it was all about. It was campy and it was stupid. But I kept on watching...I kept on watching for you.

You were the last one ready, Jigsaw. The last one in the second class to debut. If I'd made the jump with you and the NY crew, I would have been ready weeks before you were. I would have been the next to debut. I would have been "Jigsaw."

All your triumphs. All your accolades. Trips to Mexico, Europe, Asia. That should have been me. All of those things should have happened to me. Every year as CHIKARA grew bigger and bigger, I saw the opportunities that should have been mine. You're living my life, Jigsaw.

You know I'm right. All you are is that mask. You think I wasn't watching you flounder in Ring of Honor? Without that mask, you'd be lost in the masses, like I was for years. I went nowhere while your career went everywhere.

Now I have a mask of my own, and it's time to right that wrong. It's time I get the things that I deserve.

THE SHARD
 
#349 ·
The more this goes on the more I think that when the members of Gekido get revealed I don't think we'll recognize any of them even as other well known indy guys except for maybe 17. Little disappointed in SDR/Saturyne vs. The Batiri for the ippv, wanted SDR vs. Kingston for the Grand Championship as the main event.




The shows haven't happened yet.
 
#352 ·
Wink has come up with the CHIKARAbermetrics! you might be like me in thinking, eeeh.

5/10/2012: CHIKARA fans!
It's your Director of Fun, Wink Vavasseur, checking in again! Did you catch my video update yesterday? Those are new cufflinks!

Until recently, you may have noticed there's been a bit of "radio silence" from DoF headquarters, but trust that I've been cooking up something tasty! And in addition to that delicious meal, I've also got some exciting CHIKARA news!

I was brought into this professional wrestling enterprise as a man with experience and success in the business world. My specialty has always been finding kernels of potential in otherwise middling ventures, and then nurturing, restructuring and revolutionizing those kernels into spectacularly successful ears of corn (to follow the metaphor to its logical conclusion.) The phrase "business acumen" gets thrown around a lot. I don't know what it means, but I'm told I've got it in spades.

That being said, I still don't feel like I've properly Wink-erized CHIKARA. Yes, certainly, I've been successful over the past year or so; I can't deny myself all the credit I'm due. The accolades have come my way, sure. However, it hasn't been the resounding success to which I've become so accustomed with all my previous business ventures. Something's off, and I think I've finally put my finger on it: after ten years, CHIKARA has gotten stale, predictable; it's gotten into a real rut. I need to do something big, something to really stir it up, and I've been wracking my brain trying to wrap my head around this problem. The thing that's been tripping me up these past few months is that I've been looking at CHIKARA as a regular business, when it has belonged in a different category altogether – Professional Wrestling (CHIKARA, et al.) is a sport. And what one thing has revolutionized professional sports over the past decade? Statistical analysis. That's right, I'm bringing sabermetrics to CHIKARA!! I'm the Brad-Pitt-as-Billy-Beane of CHIKARA, only more handsome (I kid!)!



Over the past month, I've hunkered down with some top-notch eggheads and whiz kids, and created a program I've dubbed CHIKARAbermetrics! This program will look beyond mere win/loss records and size comparisons, going more in-depth with statistics like Pins Above Replacement (PAR) and Tag-Independent Earned Pin Average (TIEPA). It will weight the frequency of two-counts, and quantify other intangibles into numbers that I can insert into Pythagorean Expectation equations. Using these numbers, I will create match-ups and reorganize tag-teams and stables in a way that will capitalize on the skills of the CHIKARA roster and reinvigorate the sport of professional wrestling. As an example, take the CHIKARA wrestler with the highest Value Over Replacement Wrestler (VORW): Sara Del Rey. If she were to, say, be added to the group F.I.S.T., they would be mathematically unbeatable. On the other hand, take the other hand: imagine a trio made up of all left-handers! The mathematical possibilities are endless.

In honor of CHIKARA's ten year anniversary of the same thing over and over again, I've decided to institute CHIKARAbermetrics to spice up Year # 11! The drought is over, wrestling fans. CHIKARA will be exciting once again!

WV
I think I'll need a little time to get into this, it confuses me upon reading it at first.
 
#355 ·
Wink has come up with the CHIKARAbermetrics! you might be like me in thinking, eeeh.


I think I'll need a little time to get into this, it confuses me upon reading it at first.
I think it's going to be the explanation on future matches and stable shuffling that looks random and the chaos that comes from that.

And for Night 1 of Aniversario Weekends an Atomico Increible match:

 
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