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Sami Callihan vs El Generico - EVOLVE 13
Fuck this is the Sami Callihan that I want. Not the one who overdoes everything but this one who gets his character over enough and still shows he can work. Sami's really great in this so I'm interested in seeing what the Sami marks think of it. Honestly thought he was every bit as good as Generico in this and Generico had a great showing. Psych off at the start was great. Set it apart from every other match right from the get go. You don't get grump veteran Generico much but it always delivers when it does come out. They do a great job of making the match feel significant without ever going out of their way to overpush it's significance and I really liked that. Both men were coming off big back-to-back losses and neither could afford a third in a row so they had a lot to play for. Ki's commentary annoyed me again with his "this is a sport and a job not entertainment" bullshit but it wasn't as bad as the previous show as he didn't bury Generico as much. Callihan going for count out wins was a nice touch which added to the win at any costs arch. Leg injury kinda came out of nowhere but they worked the hell out of it and it played superbly into the teased finishes and the eventual finish itself. Would have had Sami work the leg over more leading to Generico selling it rather than Generico selling it off one kick but it worked so it doesn't matter. Transitions perfectly into the Stretch Muffler spot and then a super final run with Sami focusing on the leg to gain his advantage and Generico going through all of his stuff one leg. I'd probably put Richards/Elgin just ahead of it because the crowd fucking sucked in this and it didn't feel important outside of it's core context but both will be strong contenders for Indy MOTY come the end of the year.

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Steve Corino vs Sam Shaw - PWX 28.01.2012
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Fans. Meet Steve Corino, most entertaining pro wrestler around. Sam Shaw is a less than average Indy wrestler but Corino ends up having one of my favorite Indy matches of 2012 with him by being the greatest person alive. If ever a match is a one man show this was it. Corino's in full on douchebag mode and his jarring with the fans is priceless. Nothing beast his jibes at the Carlton kid. Watch it and you'll know what I mean. Way too much great shtick to start naming stuff from Corino but it's not all shtick (just mostly) because he grabs a good match out Shaw which he than makes great with his shtick. Plus he gets the ultimate revenge on the annoying kids at the end. Watch until the very end. There's a good little Corino/Rich brawl from PWX on YT too. It's especially worth watching for Corino cutting the promo of the year before the match. Match is good but not essential like this is.


ACH vs SBC - Metro Pro Wrestling April 2012
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ACH has surely gotta blow up big time by the end of the year. He's way too good not to. Super fun babyface worker and in this one SBC is a really good heel worker to pair him up with. Commentary banter is really good too and adds a lot to the match. ACH had 2 matches with Jeremy Wyatt in Metro Pro this year prior to this which were both really dragged but dragged a little which stopped them being great. This is shorter, more to the point and thus doesn't drag at all.

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Davey Richards vs Kevin Steen
This felt pretty big right from the entrances, and Steens entrance was awesome. The stare down at the start was really good and built up the tension. This was pretty full on right from the start, but never in the same way something like Davey/Eddie was with a bunch of random spots and moves. Davey started it off quick with the dive to the outside and was great at instantly playing up to the crowd and acting like a dick, that is the Davey Richards I want to see in ROH again. Davey hit an exploder on the apron quite early on after Steen had been dominating him on the outside for a bit, but it felt like an important spot because it gave Davey the advantage and control over Steen that he would get after a move that big, but instead of going straight for the cover, he was more interested in acting like a douche with the crowd and toying with Steen. It came off as him being really annoyed with the crowd for not cheering him which was good. Davey worked over Steens leg a bit, and Steen sold it really well in the long run and it did come back in to play later when Davey hit the dragon screw and started going for the ankle locks. There was still a bit of silly Davey psychology such as the two double foot stomps straight into an ankle lock, although one of them was done with Steens leg trapped in the ropes so it added pressure to the leg so it was slightly more acceptable. Despite that, Davey was fucking great here. The way he gradually got more and more desperate as the match went on and vissibly pissed off at the crowd and the fact he couldn't put Steen away was great, and he even busted out the DR Driver II that he hasn't used in years which is basically like the Jay Driller, but because of the size difference here, it looked fucking brutal. The finishing stretch was awesome with some great nearfalls, especially the second Sharpshooter attempt by Steen which the crowd was going bat shit for. Talking of the crowd, they were incredible, even beating out the Elgin match from SITS, and it really added a lot to the match. the actual finish was great too imo and Steen selling the leg almost all the way through while climbing the buckles or inbetween moves really helped the match imo. the repeated stuggles for the package piledriver were great too. I've read people saying it wasn't long enough, but it must have been about 20 minutes which is a great length, especially the type of match they wrestled, and any longer would have been overkill. I dunno, maybe people wanted another Davey/Eddie style match with tons of moves but this was so much fucking better. Really really great title match, that despite the full on nature, never came off as a spot fest or illogical in any way apart from the one spot I talked about earlier with the foot stomps. The way each guy became so desperate, and especially Davey with his facial expressions and actions was awesome to watch unfold I thought. I'm sure there will be some people who might find more flaws in the match than me but I'm not bothered really. I loved this, my US MOTY so far. ****1/4 +

Elgin/Cole was really good too, and Eddie/Rhino was very enjoyable. The show as a whole was really great.
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I may have to watch the match again....I thought the DR Driver was a nice touch because Richards had got the ban lifted for it since it is technically a piledriver. And that was your US MOTY over Richards/Elgin? I'm really surprised although I agree the return of heel Richards was a great thing.

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Ah, i'd have to think about that to be honest, I need to rewatch both for sure. Both are easily the best ROH matches in some time imo. I wouldn't be surprised if most people liked it less than me, but there was just something about it that gave me that feeling I used to get watching older ROH matches. The awesome crowd, the fact that Steen isn't wanted in the company and the way Davey was cracking under the pressure of beating him gave me a similar feeling to Punk/Cena at MITB last year.
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I just can't bring myself to watch those Davey Richards matches, even with the stellar reviews.
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I just can't bring myself to watch those Davey Richards matches, even with the stellar reviews.
They are that good especially the Elgin match. I normally don't recommend Richards's single matches anymore but his matches with Elgin, Chase Owens, and Steen are pretty great.

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Eddie Kingston vs Kevin Steen - CHIKARA Hot of the Griddle
This starts off as your typical indy brawl that you would find in any ROH or PWG grudge match. They fight around the ring spitting at each other and interacting with the crowd. It all leads into to Kingston's comeback nicely. They then trade big moves and get a bunch of 2.9 counts (some felt out of place and it borderline overkill) before the well-placed low-blow to abruptly end the match. The cheap ending leaves room for a future match. Steen was the star here. That man is simply great at being a dickhead. Kingston however, came of as pretty dull in this match. His comebacks felt pretty lame and only worked because of Steen.
Rating: ***1/4

El Generico vs Sara Del Ray - CHIKARA Hot of the Griddle
I'm a big Generico mark and I've heard great things about Del Ray so my expectations were quite high. I really enjoyed the character dynamics. Generico didn't want to hit a woman, and Del Ray was offended by Generico's reluctance to go balls-to-the-walls on her so she had to dish out the punishment until Generico is forced to make an effort. Unfortunately, this didn't last long and they scrapped all the character work about eight minutes in and turn the match into an indy wankfest, but a fun one at that.
Rating: ***1/4

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Seems that Uraken wasn't too pleased with my reviews of the matches I posted and sent me this reply through a rep. I was going to reply privately but what's the fun in that? Feel free to chip in your two cents in because I'm wondering if I'm the only person who isn't too high on the two CHIKARA matches.

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Looks like you failed to follow the stories told in both all the way or even past a few minutes in, & pegged them as "typical indy" shit. Kingston's selling was top notch & every move SDR hit Generico with softened up his neck for the piledriver.
I never called them straight-up shit as I gave them a decent rating, but I could see plenty of flaws in them. I looked back at my copy of the event and I can see that Kingston gave great facial expressions when selling but he physically sold the moves like drunk man flopping about. I've always heard Eddie Kingston is a break from the dull Davey Richard's and Roderick Strong's of the US Indy scene, but so far he hasn't yet impressed me.

I looked back at the ending of Del Ray/Generico and yes, Del Ray did do some neck-work. But that doesn't cancel out the fact that I thought they were too reliant on near-falls.

I'm not shitting on CHIKARA for the hell of it. Hell, it's my first time watching. I enjoyed the matches but it's not really my preferred style and I will probably avoid it from now.

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Wait, people are red-repping each other for not liking a match enough? It's not even like Cactus hated the matches.
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Not fussed about the red rep thing, but what I don't get is why people post things like that in rep, but not in the thread so as to create some convo or what not.
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