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Next to Big Japan, New Japan, All Japan, Dragon Gate and ROH? Nah.
Yeah, I don't think anything is really standing next to BJW in terms of consistency, maybe Dragon Gate from what I have been hearing, but I don't watch it. All Japan & New Japan have been very solid, maybe AJPW has been a tiny bit ahead of NJPW, but it would be pretty hard to tell I feel the big matches for each company have been delivering, but AJPW might have a better whole event/card with more must-see matches and eh, ROH has been fine.

I think WWE is good here and there, but that's about it. VERY hit and miss currently.

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From what I've seen, All Japan is the only promotion that I can honestly say is more interesting to watch than WWE right now. We are still in April though so A LOT of shit can happen till the end of the year. Specially in WWE were they can drop the ball and go back to mediocre status in a blink of an eye.


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But he isn't the best ever. Yes, he's amazing, but he isn't a leader like Maradona and yes.. Ronaldo.
Pretty much this. He is the best of his generation and is a big difference maker in a well oiled machine (were Xavi and Iniesta are more important pieces than Messi) but he continues to struggle every time he comes to play here in South America and he just isn't the same outside of the Barca sistem. Which is understandable as most barca players suffer from the same shit.

He still has ways to go before being up there with Cruyff, Pele, Diego and Zidane imo.


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Gonna watch Henry/Punk asap, just touching on the best promotion to watch debate, atm WWE and its style are largely the best sort of matches for me to sit through. I think their TV formula for the most part is really nailed down as evidenced by Smackdown and Superstars in particular since 2009 and the likes of Punk, Bryan, Henry, Mysterio, Christian, Drew, Cena, Masters, Bourne, Usos, Barreta etc really have a nice settled formula which has resulted in a variety of junior sprints, good heavyweight matches and some really great matches built around limb selling and building to the babyface comeback. I really dig the STF approach in WWE tags, though time constraints usually means we don't get many great tags this more unless they're on house shows or dark matches but Epico/Primo have still had some fun matches in their largely irrelevant reign.

Its not by any means a perfect style and is incredibly easy in dividing opinion when it comes to the pinnacle of WWE Main Event wrestling, i.e Punk/Cena, Taker/HHH, Flair/HBK, HHH/Taker etc. The choreographed babyface comeback spell where the heel has to bump repeatedly and barely sell the babyface's offence can be really annoying when some of the offence is terrible or looks too choreographed and formulaic, but for the large part there's very little WWE matches where I can be annoyed by aimless strike exchanges, poor character work, overkill territory in regards to multiple finishers with little creativity in set up (I acknowledge HHH/Taker was an exception here before anyone points it out) which is something that infuriates me in quite a few Puro and Indy matches and is why I'm really only a fan of a few workers who break that norm in those styles of wrestling such as a Yuki Ishikawa or Finlay.
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WWE has been really entertaining this year imo. I would say AJPW has been the best company so far though in terms of great cards and matches etc. NJPW has been very entertaining as usual, but without the great matches that AJP/BJW has been putting on. ROH's tv show is very good too, but their ppv's and house shows are genrally poor. TNA has improved a ton from the last 4-5 years but it's still sometimes very hard to sit through.
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Re: The 2012 MOTYC thread

Raw was really good last night.

Henry vs Punk - ***1/2 - ***3/4
Bryan vs Kofi - ***1/2
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I feel almost ashamed to say I havn't seen any of Punks/Henrys matches yet this year. Except for the Smackdown one where Henry won by DQ. If I've free time later I'll watch them both. There only was two raved about matches , ya?


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I'm actually watching WWE regularly for the first time since 2009. Partly because one of my friends is starting to get into it (dude LOVES Lord Tensai), but also partly because it's actually a really enjoyable product. I don't have the time or dedication to watch every show, but I'm watching PPVs, the occasional Raw, and various matches that get pimped hard. Which is more than I do for just about any other company (except PWG).

Also, Punk/Henry was awesome. ***3/4, bordering on ****.

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Cena/Tensai was actually getting talked about as a good match and definitely evidence that they have a very good/great match in them. Tensai is a difficult character really, on the one hand its a very over the top and traditional wrestling character and Bernard is great in the ring to work these squashes like a champ and could have a really great monster run (I'd love him to face Punk at the June/July PPV for example)but at the same time I worry its too much of a throwback to the gimmick era for it to get over. I mean I could see Giant Bernard from NJPW getting over fine in America as a surly asskicker, Tensai will be fun to watch in the ring and could work some great matches but I'm not sold yet on it being a long term character for him to benefit from.

As for WWE, I've always been able since 2009 to just watch the good TV matches and occasional quality PPV bout to put up with some of the booking/creative shit they force on us, but there does seem to be something really good about the product atm. Tensai, Brodus and Ryback are good potential monster characters, Henry and Bryan are the two best heels in the company, Lesnar/Cena has been wonderful and good serve for actual character development for Cena and Punk is doing great as the ace champion with Henry and Jericho being his two main adversaries so far. Undercard needs developing and expanding but Santino/Brodus v Ziggler/Swagger could be ridiculously fun. And screw it, Otunga may not amount to anything in ring wise but he's a great character to play off of Big Johnny.
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Re: The 2012 MOTYC thread

Cena/Tensai wasn't all that great because Cena looked to me like he was off his game a bit. Tensai was great though.

Yeah, it's a bit of a throwback to the gimmick era for sure, but so long as they make it about "here's a big huge dude who beats the shit out of people, also he looks scary and foreign" and not about "he's totally all about Japan and stuff!!!!" he should have no problem getting over. It's also not a cookie cutter gimmick, there's something distinctive about it that people will remember without it being too over the top gimmicky.

Also, Santino is a gimmick guy, but he's gotten over huge, and didn't Brodus get a huge pop last night too? I think Tensai should have no trouble getting over.

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Re: The 2012 MOTYC thread

All I've heard about Cena/Tensai is how one is worse than the other in terms of performance.

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