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post #461 of 2789 (permalink) Old 04-03-2012, 01:48 PM
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Punk/Henry-3/2/2012 Raw. Wanted to post it last night but servers were crashing because of Lesnar. Anyway very good big man vs. little man match. Henry's a great heel with his adlibs in the ring.



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Watched the Elgin vs. Richards. DRAGON SUPLEX OFF THE TOP FOLLOWED UP BY ANKLE LOCK PSYCHOLOGY~! BEYOND poor selling. Overkill! BORING FIRST TEN MINUTES! Shitty transitions... yet still so fucking exciting by the end. I don't know, ****?
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Segunda, I'd think you'll love this. I know you have a soft spot for Fujiwara and possibly Fujinami too if I remember correctly. Not too mention it's only 10 minutes long too. None of the backdrop nonsense too. It's a solid four star match in my book.
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****+ for Jericho Punk. Not sure exactly how many quarters I'd give it but i wouldn't go higher than ****1/2. Stupid crowd popping for everything in the HHH/Taker match to the point they couldn't do shit in this one...

I'd have to watch HHH/Taker again but I don't get it. They did LESS finisher shit than they did last year...and that doesn't make sense. Not only did I not buy into all the nearfalls except the SCM/Pedigree one but I also didn't get the story. I mean, I get it....but.....REALLY!? This is maybe Taker's last match at WM, and last year Triple H pretty much killed him and STILL failed making it seem like it's absolutely imposibble to end the streak.
I'm sorry but after that kind of match this one felt unneeded and pointless. They should've done what they did last year this year and vice versa, hell the last years match would've probably fit the cell more than this years.
No rating for this one obviusly.

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post #465 of 2789 (permalink) Old 04-03-2012, 02:52 PM
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Segunda, I'd think you'll love this. I know you have a soft spot for Fujiwara and possibly Fujinami too if I remember correctly. Not too mention it's only 10 minutes long too. None of the backdrop nonsense too. It's a solid four star match in my book.
Watched this, I liked parts of it but didn't find it to be a particularly strong outing. Fujiwara was very good tormenting that Nagai bloke with the Fujiwara armbar and then that swank arm trap counter with his right leg. Also dug him putting an end to a strike exchange with a hell of a slap to the face. Thought Ishikawa was the 2nd best guy in the match with his sequence with Fujinami being the highlight of the match and his enziguri at the end being as stiff and disgusting as ever. Thought the eventual ankle lock counter to Nagai's continuous kicks was a good payoff spot to a sub theme throughout the match where Nagai would keep control with his kicks. Still you could tell age was affecting some of their sequences notably Fujiwara and Nagai's first interaction and I would have preferred Ishikawa/Fujinami going longer than their pairing off did. Finish was also a tad weak IMO. Watchable and everything but I never found it to be above 'good', though Fujiwara's 'oh fuck' facial expression before tagging out was golden. God bless that man and his wonderful facial expressions.
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post #466 of 2789 (permalink) Old 04-03-2012, 03:10 PM
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I can't rate the HIAC or Rock/Cena matches. I'm just not going to even try because while they both had massive flaws, there was something about them that still had me marking the fuck out because of the entire spectacle and massiveness (word?) of them. I enjoyed the hell out of both of them but they weren't great matches by any means.


ROH Showdown In The Sun Night Two - Davey Richards vs Michael Elgin
Just goes to show how much a control segment, a HOT crowd and a good commentator add to a match, because this was fucking awesome because of those things, as well as an awesome finishing stretch. This was the best ROH match in fuck knows how long. I loved Davey starting it off fast by taking it to Elgin straight away with strikes and a dive. I loved even more the transition in to the Elgin control segment with Davey really trying to end it early by going for something crazy only for it to backfire and allow Elgin the advantage. Davey going for comebacks only to be cut off all the time by the power of Elgin was so great and really fucking fresh for a ROH main event match.

Davey did eventually get a comeback going which was the only part of the match I could have done without. They went in to the typical 'You strike me, I strike you' Davey Richards match mode for a little bit, but thankfully it didn't last long. There was also a stupid top rope Dragon Suplex spot immediately followed up by an Ankle Lock that was completely ridiculous and made no sense, admittedly the suplex itself looked fucking awesome and was the only real huge spot in the match. After that portion though it got pretty fucking amazing.

Some great near falls for Elgin that had me believing it was over even though I knew the result. I thought Davey was superb in this match for the most part, playing the champ who really wanted this thing to be over because Elgin seemed unbeatable (no pun intended). Davey's facial expression when Elgin walked through his kicks was so great. The finishing stretch was awesome as tits and I was losing my shit along with Nigel who really added something else to the match, he was absolutely godly on commentary. What a man. The submission trading was done very well, Elgin rolling through with the crossface to keep Davey away from the ropes was a great nearfall, but the spinning powerbomb was just something else. Again, Davey was great here as he legit seemed dead at points. Then we got the final stages of the match with Davey kicking the shit out of Elgin, only for Elgin to display some serious fighting spirit, and thats what it came across as. It didn't come across as just plain old no-selling, but it came off as maybe one of the best fighting spirit spots ROH has done for years. When Elgin hulked up and spit in Daveys face I marked the fuck out along with Nigel and the awesome crowd. The best ROH crowd for a match in years possibly. I have to say if the crowd wasn't that hot for the entire last half of the match it would have been nowhere near as good, but that wasn't the case and I don't care what anyone says, a hot crowd really does add a lot to a match. There are flaws here such as the pointless middle portion of about 3-5 minutes, but this is great stuff for the majority and the best match from the US this year not to mention the best ROH and Davey Richards matches for a long time. Elgin was very impressive but imo Davey made this match and thats something I didn't think I would hear myself say again.
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Final Battle 11' is Davey style at it's worst. His match vs Elgin (or vs Shingo) is his style at it's "best".

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I'm behind on my Lucha like a shithead and I'm really not looking to watch much puro of any kind these days unless it gets absolutely insane pimping by people I trust to be close to my tastes in what they perceive as great. Watched a fair bit of WWE and liked a lot of stuff but not really been compelled to talk about it, but I caught Raw on Youtube this morning and stumbled upon my current MOTY (which probably will change once I watch 4 Lucha matches which have had everyone talking about them).

CM Punk(c) v Mark Henry, WWE Championship, RAW 02/04/2012

Yeah this was an excellent match and without doubt the best match I've seen so far this year (behind on Lucha atm) and was a brilliant Sting/Vader esque match. Punk was brilliant selling the wear and tear of last night's match from the outset and was great selling it during his offence, specifically the Macho Man Elbow drop which worked as not only a great spot to finally down Henry (something they expertly built to all match) but also in coming across as a big spot that may have cost Punk long term. His strikes and offence got so much better the longer the match went on and the crowd being with him every step of the way continued the great desperation theme of Punk fighting with everything he had to escape this improbable situation.

Henry himself was phenomenal and just illustrated why he was so god damn brilliant last year, his trashtalking was as good as its ever been (Did I say you could get up, you sit back down) and was incredible character work to generate heat and build sympathy for Punk and he worked some damn right nasty cut off spots with his brute strength. He was equally as stiff and violent as he ever is and served as the perfect ass kicker to break Punk down with every bit of offence he had and his selling was just picture perfect in giving the fans enough room to buy that Punk could hurt the big man whilst in no way damaging his credibility as the dominating ass kicker. The build throughout the match to Punk finally taking down Henry with the running knee was super and the sort of long term payoff that will always pop a crowd.

However what really put this match over the top was the booking for the finish. So many times WWE does these piss poor DQ/countout finishes that can kill a match's heat in the blink of an eye but here they pulled off an incredibly organic finish which crucially protected both men as Punk couldn't beat Henry without weakening him whilst a title change was obviously out of the question. Punk gradually wearing down Henry with the strikes and slowly softening him up for the knee strikes in the corner and subsequent bulldog was great and Henry's counter was a fitting desperation spot for the big man who was finally on the ropes for the first time in the match. Punk's bump looked nasty and believeable and in the context of the match served as an acceptable bump on which he'd struggle to make a 10 count & crucially Henry taking the time to sell the barrage of strikes to his head which had left him dazed ensured he didn't look like an idiot for letting Punk be counted out, but rather his body was still recovering from Punk's comeback and didn't recuperate in time to throw Punk back in the ring.

So aye, brilliant selling and cut off spots, a long build to a satisfying comeback which popped the crowd and some detailed and insightful booking to protect both men and leave a rematch down the line as something necessary, for once an excellent job by WWE and this was better than anything on the Wrestlemania card.


Also I really don't want to watch Richards/Elgin at all but I suppose I'll get around to it eventually. The thought of them actually having an invested crowd gives me hope and the talk of there being a clear dynamic in trying to make Elgin look better by the end of the match excites me because I love a good underdog match....but I know how Davey and the current ROH main event style is designed to 'build' people and its usually something I hate with a passion. Can't say the talk of top rope Dragon Suplexes, Emerald Frosions being no sold and random ankle lock set ups have me giving the match a fair chance before its even begun but hey I've watched worse matches in my time.

(Plus Jawbreaker seemed to not hate it and me and him seem to generally have similar opinions)
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Henry vs. Punk = Match of the Year ****1/2

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post #470 of 2789 (permalink) Old 04-04-2012, 10:18 AM
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Agreed. Awesome match. Loved the count out finish, which we see so rarely...only in Mizark Henry matches! His bitch-talking to Punk was probably the best character work we've seen in ring this year outside of Jericho/Punk. They're doing a great job of making Punk the sympathetic face right now.

Why has no one mentioned the blood that Punk spit out afterwards? And then the ECW-esque segue while Punk's lying there dead into some smack-talking from Johnny and then a really good angle with Jericho. One of the best segments on RAW in a long time, even if the fake bottle was a little hokey.

Henry vs. Punk ****1/4
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