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Old 04-03-2012, 05:41 AM   #451 (permalink)
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Watched the Elgin vs. Richards. DRAGON SUPLEX OFF THE TOP FOLLOWED UP BY ANKLE LOCK PSYCHOLOGY~! BEYOND poor selling. Overkill! BORING FIRST TEN MINUTES! Shitty transitions... yet still so fucking exciting by the end. I don't know, ****?
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I'm behind on my Lucha like a shithead and I'm really not looking to watch much puro of any kind these days unless it gets absolutely insane pimping by people I trust to be close to my tastes in what they perceive as great. Watched a fair bit of WWE and liked a lot of stuff but not really been compelled to talk about it, but I caught Raw on Youtube this morning and stumbled upon my current MOTY (which probably will change once I watch 4 Lucha matches which have had everyone talking about them).


CM Punk(c) v Mark Henry, WWE Championship, RAW 02/04/2012

Yeah this was an excellent match and without doubt the best match I've seen so far this year (behind on Lucha atm) and was a brilliant Sting/Vader esque match. Punk was brilliant selling the wear and tear of last night's match from the outset and was great selling it during his offence, specifically the Macho Man Elbow drop which worked as not only a great spot to finally down Henry (something they expertly built to all match) but also in coming across as a big spot that may have cost Punk long term. His strikes and offence got so much better the longer the match went on and the crowd being with him every step of the way continued the great desperation theme of Punk fighting with everything he had to escape this improbable situation.

Henry himself was phenomenal and just illustrated why he was so god damn brilliant last year, his trashtalking was as good as its ever been (Did I say you could get up, you sit back down) and was incredible character work to generate heat and build sympathy for Punk and he worked some damn right nasty cut off spots with his brute strength. He was equally as stiff and violent as he ever is and served as the perfect ass kicker to break Punk down with every bit of offence he had and his selling was just picture perfect in giving the fans enough room to buy that Punk could hurt the big man whilst in no way damaging his credibility as the dominating ass kicker. The build throughout the match to Punk finally taking down Henry with the running knee was super and the sort of long term payoff that will always pop a crowd.

However what really put this match over the top was the booking for the finish. So many times WWE does these piss poor DQ/countout finishes that can kill a match's heat in the blink of an eye but here they pulled off an incredibly organic finish which crucially protected both men as Punk couldn't beat Henry without weakening him whilst a title change was obviously out of the question. Punk gradually wearing down Henry with the strikes and slowly softening him up for the knee strikes in the corner and subsequent bulldog was great and Henry's counter was a fitting desperation spot for the big man who was finally on the ropes for the first time in the match. Punk's bump looked nasty and believeable and in the context of the match served as an acceptable bump on which he'd struggle to make a 10 count & crucially Henry taking the time to sell the barrage of strikes to his head which had left him dazed ensured he didn't look like an idiot for letting Punk be counted out, but rather his body was still recovering from Punk's comeback and didn't recuperate in time to throw Punk back in the ring.

So aye, brilliant selling and cut off spots, a long build to a satisfying comeback which popped the crowd and some detailed and insightful booking to protect both men and leave a rematch down the line as something necessary, for once an excellent job by WWE and this was better than anything on the Wrestlemania card.

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Also I really don't want to watch Richards/Elgin at all but I suppose I'll get around to it eventually. The thought of them actually having an invested crowd gives me hope and the talk of there being a clear dynamic in trying to make Elgin look better by the end of the match excites me because I love a good underdog match....but I know how Davey and the current ROH main event style is designed to 'build' people and its usually something I hate with a passion. Can't say the talk of top rope Dragon Suplexes, Emerald Frosions being no sold and random ankle lock set ups have me giving the match a fair chance before its even begun but hey I've watched worse matches in my time.

(Plus Jawbreaker seemed to not hate it and me and him seem to generally have similar opinions)
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Yeah, Punk/Henry was a fucking great match, especially for tv, and it got a really good amount of time too. Great story and psychology with two great performances.

Also, Segunda you should check out Okada vs Naito. Best match of the year by far imo.

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I've seen both and never been greatly impressed by either, and I can't lie modern day puro does very little for me at the top of the card. Its getting to the point where they only have to do a couple of needless strike exchanges or that insufferable 'Wrestler A gets backdropped by Wrestler B but gets up and immediately Backdrops Wrestler B' spot and I'm completely taken out of the match. If you can promise me either of the above didn't occur (or was at least presented in a less offensive manner) then I'll add it to the matches I have to catch up on as I did see it getting discussed on a few boards which tend to be very anti-puro in this day and age....and whilst the match was hardly getting MOTY praise I did see less hate for it than some of the other Puro epics of the past couple of years.
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Segunda, if you don't like Sekimoto vs Sasaki I'll ban myself for 14 days. It's not your typical Sekimoto match either so any preconception you have about the guy or his matches shouldn't come into place.
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I know exactly what you mean about Okada and Naito, I was never really impressed with anything I had seen of either of them, and I wasn't even going to watch the match until I saw some great reviews. Both really impressed me. I don't think theres any exchanges like that in the match, it's got a great story and great psychology and I was seriously surprised with it since I was sure it was going to be one of those matches were the limb work and control segments were completely forgotten about in the finishing stretch but it wasn't. Everything made sense to me. Naito could have sold the neck a little more in places, but he was so good at working over Okadas leg. On my first watch I had no issues at all with it apart from Naito not throwing a hand to his neck or something to sell it better often enough after it had been worked on. I definitely recommend watching it, I know your feelings on modern puro so I wouldn't recommend it if I didn't think there was a lot in there you would like. I'm sure you might find something in there you dislike but at the least it's a very good match.
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I thought Undertaker/Triple H was an incredible live experience. Don't really care about what rating it gets but it was unlike anything I've ever seen. But from my seat I didn't have to do deal with all the close up of the facials and hearing them yell at each other so that probably helped.

Honesty thought Punk/Jericho was good but nothing too incredible.
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Segunda, if you don't like Sekimoto vs Sasaki I'll ban myself for 14 days. It's not your typical Sekimoto match either so any preconception you have about the guy or his matches shouldn't come into place.
I don't mind Sekimoto, occasionally his love affair with strike exchanges can take me out of a match but I liked the tags involving Hama and Akebono especially. He's very good in that environment given they usually play up his power and here he encountered much bigger men than himself. Can't say I think he's as good when he faces largely smaller guys but that's usually as much to do with his opponent than Sekimoto himself. Consider this added to the match pile.

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I know exactly what you mean about Okada and Naito, I was never really impressed with anything I had seen of either of them, and I wasn't even going to watch the match until I saw some great reviews. Both really impressed me. I don't think theres any exchanges like that in the match, it's got a great story and great psychology and I was seriously surprised with it since I was sure it was going to be one of those matches were the limb work and control segments were completely forgotten about in the finishing stretch but it wasn't. Everything made sense to me. Naito could have sold the neck a little more in places, but he was so good at working over Okadas leg. On my first watch I had no issues at all with it apart from Naito not throwing a hand to his neck or something to sell it better often enough after it had been worked on. I definitely recommend watching it, I know your feelings on modern puro so I wouldn't recommend it if I didn't think there was a lot in there you would like. I'm sure you might find something in there you dislike but at the least it's a very good match.
Thanks for the brief overview, a lot of that was echoed in some reviews I saw at other boards so I'll take it on board when watching. Can't say for sure when I'll get round to viewing it but I shall eventually.

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I thought Undertaker/Triple H was an incredible live experience. Don't really care about what rating it gets but it was unlike anything I've ever seen. But from my seat I didn't have to do deal with all the close up of the facials and hearing them yell at each other so that probably helped.
I've always considered both HHH matches to be great in person where the near falls can hook you much more, but I definitely feel they lack the ability to hold up on a rewatch compared to the Michaels matches (26 especially) as there's just not enough behind some of the engrossing near falls to love about them compared to the HBK series where Taker in particular was incredible with his selling and facial expressions.
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Been trying to get my hands on Elgin/Richards for a couple days but my computer keeps taking a shit in some manner each time I try, will attempt again today though.

Just thought I'd be one of the few to put Jericho/Punk as my number one Mania match. Thought the stipulation made the first segment interesting with Jericho in the Foleyesque position of letting Punk beat on him trying to entice the DQ.
I've seen a lot of posts claiming the crowd was dead, but I got the impression that the audience, like me, were watching the 'wrestling' intently, more akin to a Japanese crowd, which if my impressions are correct is a feat in itself given the boisterous nature of the fans.
Because I expected a lot from this match, I in turn expected to be let down with the result, however when the match was finished I found myself very pleased with what I had just witnessed.

Second favorite MOTY, just behind Panther/Casas.
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777 is spot on about the crowd reactions for Punk vs. Jericho - the fans were definitely paying attention & got more into it as the match wore on. That said, I didn't think it was anything special. Punk & Jericho are two guys I struggle to suspend disbelief with 'cos their styles are often clunky & contrived; plus Jericho has negative charisma nowadays.

Segunda - I reckon you'll be pleasantly surprised with Okada vs. Naito. It's a first-class example of using wrestling to tell a story. Not so sure you'll dig Sekimoto vs. Sasaki though. It's a great match with a superbly executed underdog element, but it's still based around them relentlessly battering the hell out of each other.
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