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*I discount Ricky Marvin from best of Japanese juniors discussion because his reliance upon spots and ignorance towards selling opponents' offense and logical match layout bothers me when it counts. He ain't "sloppy", but he tends to botch more often than most. See him ruining a potential all time classic match layout vs. Nakajima not long ago.


I just never think to call Shinobu a junior because he's such a violent damn world beater.
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*I discount Ricky Marvin from best of Japanese juniors discussion because his reliance upon spots and ignorance towards selling opponents' offense and logical match layout bothers me when it counts. He ain't "sloppy", but he tends to botch more often than most. See him ruining a potential all time classic match layout vs. Nakajima not long ago.


I just never think to call Shinobu a junior because he's such a violent damn world beater.

You crazy MF, lol. What are some good Shinobu matches to check out if he is so good? Im asking a serious question. I haven't seen to much of him.
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Fuck Ricky Marvin for he is a sloppy spotmonkey who has no grasp of psychology or selling.

Okada vs. Naito was damn fine.
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You crazy MF, lol. What are some good Shinobu matches to check out if he is so good? Im asking a serious question. I haven't seen to much of him.

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Haven't watched much wrestling this year so far. Just a few random DG infinities, WrestleKingdom, the Punk/Bryan matches, and little else. I started watch the indies in late '09 so I tend to watch a lot of older stuff. With that being said, these are my ****+ matches from 2012 so far.

Shinsuke Nakamura and Toru Yano vs. Go Shiozaki and Naomichi Marufuji - 1/4/12 - ****
Tetsuya Naito vs. Keiji Mutoh - 1/4/12 - ****
Hiroshi Tanahashi vs. Minoru Suzuki - 1/4/12 - ****
CIMA vs. Jimmy Susumu - 2/5/12 - ****
Blood WARRIORS (Akira Tozawa, BxB Hulk, Cyber Kong, Fake Naoki Tanisaki, Kzy, Naruki Doi & Yasushi Kanda) vs. JUNCTION THREE (Dragon Kid, Jimmy Susumu, Masaaki Mochizuki, Masato Yoshino, Rich Swann, Shingo Takagi & YAMATO) - 2/9/12 - ****
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In my opinion, there hasn't been a better match wrestled since this one took place 4 years ago.

Which, as good as this was, really shows the sad state wrestling is in right now.

In all seriousness, I would love to say Shinobu is among the best Juniors, but he is too much of a victim of having not enough elite wrestlers to work with in order to have consistent, top quality matches.



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ROH Homecoming - Hero vs Elgin
Awesome match. Hero brought back some old school stuff and started doing the flippy/athletic stuff he used to do before the match and it was pretty funny and got the crowd behind him. Hero is definitely better as a cocky heel dominating a match, but he did really well here getting dominated by Elgin and he plays a really good sympathetic babyface. Once Hero gets his comeback going and they go into the finishing stretch it gets really great with some awesome nearfalls that had me thinking it was over. Hero also trimmed a lot of the fat off since he returned at Final Battle which was good to see. Now this is where Elgin looks like a beast, catching Hero, throwing him around and dead lifting him into a suplex. Probably my favourite Elgin match so far, but it's Chris Hero and that dude can play any role in a wrestling ring so it was no surprise he made Elgin look good and had a great match with him. ****

The best ROH match this year, and the most I've enjoyed one in ages. Hero owns.
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In all seriousness, I would love to say Shinobu is among the best Juniors, but he is too much of a victim of having not enough elite wrestlers to work with in order to have consistent, top quality matches.
A fair point, that is one of the things that always makes comparisons difficult. It's rare that talent get's to follow the same path and see who is better.

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Okada vs Naito was the fucking nuts. Both guys went in with a strategy and kept to it for pretty much the entire match. I've never been a big Naito fan, but I have to say he's made me a fan just from this match, he really showed me something. He was amazing at going after Okadas leg and never giving up on it, until later in the match, but I'll get to that later. Okada then goes after Naitos neck and almost everything he does is focussed on the neck and it's some really good offense too, all the while selling his leg, and selling it after he uses his leg for a dropkick, or hitting the tombstone on the outside for a near count out and grabbing his knee. Some of Naitos leg work is awesome, especially the dropkick off the apron to the railing, that was cool, and theres a submission he uses later on thats hella nifty. If there was one complaint it might be that Naito didn't really sell the neck too well when he was making his comebacks, but I can let that slide since Okada was selling his leg so well throughout and Naito just kept going after the leg. Okada is really growing on me, like his cocky facial expressions when he knows he's in control and the fact he is a good seller adds to that too and some of his submissions looked really cool. There were points that I got slightly worried that he was going to forget about it, but he didn't, maybe because naito focussed everything on the leg so he had no choice but to sell it. Then the finishing stretch was bloody awesome! It felt like Naito took his eye off of the weakness and went for his signature stuff, and thats what led to his downfall. Okada stayed focussed on the neck and never let up on it, all his signature stuff was on the neck and the match was so much better for it. I would like to see him use the tombstone as a finisher though instead of a random move he hits earlier in the match, but his Air Raid Neckbreaker and DVD look really good, and the way they transitioned into the massive lariat for the finish was really great. The crowd was alive for this too and really behind Naito, so that always adds to a match, but I heard some Okada chants too so he must be growing on the fans as well. My MOTY fur sure, and I can't see much topping this for me for a while. Awesome stuff that I recommend everyone go out of their way to see. ****1/2
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I almost want to flame Seabs for doubting that match.

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