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post #2611 of 2789 (permalink) Old 12-29-2012, 07:22 PM
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I'll be the one to rain on the pirade. Man I'm old.

Anyone have a prolbem with how contrived the triangle ladder is? Like how one of the young bucks, at the top of the ladder and able to grab the title, decides instead to reach over the top down to grab Coles hair for no reason, just so Cole can kick him? Completely no psychological reason to do this.

How about how the Bucks botched the powerbomb spot with uno because he kinda fell off the ladder?

Or what about when they do the corner running spot how uno actually has to pull up the ladder and place it in front of himself so he can get hit with it perfectly?

I love the match's action, its awesome, and is easily the best US Indy match of the year, but Currently it is #6 overall for me. Those three contrived/botched spots gotta bring it down a little for someone besides me, right?

sorry in advance for being 'that guy.'
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Like how one of the young bucks, at the top of the ladder and able to grab the title, decides instead to reach over the top down to grab Coles hair for no reason, just so Cole can kick him? Completely no psychological reason to do this.
This kind of raised my eyebrow at first, but in retrospect it's at least sort of justifiable given the established conventions of the ladder match, one of which is that taking down the belt is always a fairly frustrating production, even when done successfully. No matter how well-positioned you are to grab the belt, given the time it's almost certainly going to take and the high level of risk involved just being up there, making sure none of your opponents is in a position to mess you up (as Cole was then) can rightly be considered as big a priority as actually grabbing it.

I can't say I recall the other moments you mentioned, but I'll be re-watching soon so I'll look out for them.
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nitpicking at hailsabin. bucks were not actually the champs here. the belts were held up after super dragon/steen had to vacate them and this match was held to determine the champs. also that tag match is on daily motion as well
ah right. complete brainfart. Excalibur even mentioned they were only 2x PWG tag team champs during the match too.

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Rewatched/watched some stuff today I've wanted too for a while.

Rewatched the Threemendous ladder match and yeah, it definitely rules. Upped my rating to ****1/2 now. Shit, I was marking out more this time than I was the first time and I knew some of the spots. So much fun, probably the most purely fun and/or enjoyable match of the year.

Watched the two Callihan/Cole matches from CZW (forgot the dates/shows). One was a normal match which was really good actually. Had Cole as the babyface and getting his leg worked over. Loved Sami constantly throwing him over the ropes so he had to land on his legs. Kind of forgot about the leg work for a bit just to hit strikes which is one of things that annoys me about him, but he went back to the stretch muffler and I think I just need to accept that strikes is what he does most and so is always going to do them, but the stuff I've watched recently has had him going back to the submission and that's a good thing. Still find him genuinely irritating in almost everything he does though. Good babyface performance from Cole and not a MOTYC or anything but worth watching for fans of either guy. ***1/2 or so.

The other was a hardcore anything goes match and it was pretty bad. The stuff with the shit was stupid and the match just felt like nothing.

Watched Steen/Generico from SITS Night 1. Really liked the majority of it. It felt pretty plodding on a couple of occasions after the awesome start, but soon picked up during the middle and towards the end. It did become a bit of a prop fest at times, but the LMS format helped that aspect of it a lot with setting up spots and transitions etc. Loved Generico putting everything on the line and hitting three incredible spots in a row. Was a tad too long imo and the end was kind of awkward but I really enjoyed it. Around ****.

Finally watched Nakamura/Ishii vs Okada/HASHI (NJPW 21/11). Great tag match. Okada and Nakamura together is incredible. They just try to out swag eachother and it really is amazing. Seriously marked for them stealing each others mannerisms and taunts. Okada proves he can be great working as the babyface and not just as a cocky heel in control. Just really want to see Okada/Nakamura right now. GIVE IT TO ME! Ishii was decent too but didn't do anything really great or anything. HASHI is kind of bad (first time I've bothered to watch a match with him in I think) so it was a good idea to have him get beaten for the majority of the match leading to the hot tag to Okada which he rocked. Wasn't as good when Ishii/HASHI were in but w/e. ****
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I'll be the one to rain on the pirade. Man I'm old.

Anyone have a prolbem with how contrived the triangle ladder is? Like how one of the young bucks, at the top of the ladder and able to grab the title, decides instead to reach over the top down to grab Coles hair for no reason, just so Cole can kick him? Completely no psychological reason to do this.

How about how the Bucks botched the powerbomb spot with uno because he kinda fell off the ladder?

Or what about when they do the corner running spot how uno actually has to pull up the ladder and place it in front of himself so he can get hit with it perfectly?

I love the match's action, its awesome, and is easily the best US Indy match of the year, but Currently it is #6 overall for me. Those three contrived/botched spots gotta bring it down a little for someone besides me, right?

sorry in advance for being 'that guy.'
I agree with you and then some I thought the match was crap. It reminded how fake wrestling is. I turned it off before the last 5 mins.
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Rewatched/watched some stuff today I've wanted too for a while.

Rewatched the Threemendous ladder match and yeah, it definitely rules. Upped my rating to ****1/2 now. Shit, I was marking out more this time than I was the first time and I knew some of the spots. So much fun, probably the most purely fun and/or enjoyable match of the year.

Watched the two Callihan/Cole matches from CZW (forgot the dates/shows). One was a normal match which was really good actually. Had Cole as the babyface and getting his leg worked over. Loved Sami constantly throwing him over the ropes so he had to land on his legs. Kind of forgot about the leg work for a bit just to hit strikes which is one of things that annoys me about him, but he went back to the stretch muffler and I think I just need to accept that strikes is what he does most and so is always going to do them, but the stuff I've watched recently has had him going back to the submission and that's a good thing. Still find him genuinely irritating in almost everything he does though. Good babyface performance from Cole and not a MOTYC or anything but worth watching for fans of either guy. ***1/2 or so.

The other was a hardcore anything goes match and it was pretty bad. The stuff with the shit was stupid and the match just felt like nothing.

Watched Steen/Generico from SITS Night 1. Really liked the majority of it. It felt pretty plodding on a couple of occasions after the awesome start, but soon picked up during the middle and towards the end. It did become a bit of a prop fest at times, but the LMS format helped that aspect of it a lot with setting up spots and transitions etc. Loved Generico putting everything on the line and hitting three incredible spots in a row. Was a tad too long imo and the end was kind of awkward but I really enjoyed it. Around ****.
I'm still gonna check out both Callihan/Cole matches. Gots to see how I feel. Don't blame me for wanting to see the hardcore match (hence the upload )

@ Steen vs Generico Last Man Standing. I thought it was pretty awesome much like all of their other matches. **** for me too.

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There's a great bit in the hardcore match where Callihan can't set up the chair structure/pile and the crowd boos. He takes too long doing it and Cole gets the advantage and sets the chair structure up straight away, the crowd cheers and he proceeds to taunt around the ring like he just solved a world crisis. It's great.
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There's a great bit in the hardcore match where Callihan can't set up the chair structure/pile and the crowd boos. He takes too long doing it and Cole gets the advantage and sets the chair structure up straight away, the crowd cheers and he proceeds to taunt around the ring like he just solved a world crisis. It's great.
Yeah that was so stupid on Callihan's part. Just improvise dude!! I was watching the match trying to see the good side to Callihan and then that happened. Really not convinced by him, don't see what the fuss is all about. Cole setting up the chair pile in about 3 seconds was awesome and just furthered my man crush. What a guy.
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Finally watched Nakamura/Ishii vs Okada/HASHI (NJPW 21/11). Great tag match. Okada and Nakamura together is incredible. They just try to out swag eachother and it really is amazing. Seriously marked for them stealing each others mannerisms and taunts. Okada proves he can be great working as the babyface and not just as a cocky heel in control. Just really want to see Okada/Nakamura right now. GIVE IT TO ME! Ishii was decent too but didn't do anything really great or anything. HASHI is kind of bad (first time I've bothered to watch a match with him in I think) so it was a good idea to have him get beaten for the majority of the match leading to the hot tag to Okada which he rocked. Wasn't as good when Ishii/HASHI were in but w/e. ****
I can't take anymore of the Nakamura/Okada teases!!! This match/feud needs to go down ASAP in 2013.

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There's a great bit in the hardcore match where Callihan can't set up the chair structure/pile and the crowd boos. He takes too long doing it and Cole gets the advantage and sets the chair structure up straight away, the crowd cheers and he proceeds to taunt around the ring like he just solved a world crisis. It's great.


That Adam Cole. He can do everything right.

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