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Old 12-28-2012, 01:03 PM   #2581 (permalink)
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In fairness I don't recall a review which panned the match, but there were a few 'good but nothing more' reviews and I definitely remember a bit of a discussion developing over whether the match was really that good or overrated/underrated by some.

Fair enough. I'm generally a fan of Necro Butcher exchanges, partly because he generally times them better and I can see them fitting the context of a brawl better than a straight wrestling match. The punch exchange in the Joe match seconds before he dies via Exploder is one of my favourite exchanges ever, especially because Necro's punches look filthy and tooth shattering.
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There are Necro's exceptions. vs Joe being the key one. Some matches he has his trademark of sitting down a chair, the opponent sits down a chair, and they have at it. Followed by the match going back to the normal tempo. That brief bit though reminded me of what you were saying about the Callihan vs Sasaki match. We both had our lovefest with Necro before. We know he's a boss. Head and shoulders above most when it comes to keeping a strike exchange legit, credible, and downright mean.
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Aye I can see the similarity in that trademark spot and the criticism I had of the strike exchange battles. Truth be told unless he throws some utterly filthy punches that chair spot is generally one of my least favourite parts of a Necro brawl. It should be noted I do appreciate a strike exchange, but I'd sooner see something like Hashimoto/Tenryu where they're both fighting to gain control and its frantic and one gains the advantage instead of motionless striking daring the other on. I guess it stems from workers not executing the spot as well as it can be done since practically any sequence/spot can be great if put in the hands of good workers and executed/timed appropriately.
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I love Sami's wrestling-on-coke style, not every match needs long feeling out processes. Plus, he holds nothing back, he's legit. And his match collection from 2012 tells the entire story:

- two Generico matches
- three Fox matches
- two Finlay matches
- his CZW run in general
- BJW stuff (7/30 trios and the Strong Climb)
- his PWG stuff
- the CIMA match

And I yet need to watch the 1hr Ultraviolent Rules Ironman with Drake, and the Gargano match from EVOLVE 18.

Btw, Fox/Colon and Hyde (yes, DJ Hyde)/Tremont both from Tangled Web 5 are two must-see matches.
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Absolutely. It all comes down to the capability of the workers involved doing said spot. You can have Necro go out and be as lethal as possible with his punches. Then you could have someone a bit less believable or forceful with strikes trying to do the same thing and it won't come off nearly as well. That's the nature of the beast.

I just watched Sami carry an entire match vs Willie Mack. He's the man. CALLIHAN
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Yep, need to hop on the train myself and watch his CZW work. 60 minute Ironman vs Drake Younger is a must. Could be a very, VERY long winded match. I'm down for it though.
I saw that. It's good. It's an hour long CZW iron man match so you might expect a steaming pile of ECW rip-off indyism shit, but Callihan has control of a lot of the match and plays his quasi-monster role like he kinda did against Rich Swann in January. Didn't think much of Younger but he sold a leg injury pretty neatly IIRC.

I've seen the Necro Butcher get a ton of hate and I don't get that either.
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I saw that. It's good. It's an hour long CZW iron man match so you might expect a steaming pile of ECW rip-off indyism shit, but Callihan has control of a lot of the match and plays his quasi-monster role like he kinda did against Rich Swann in January. Didn't think much of Younger but he sold a leg injury pretty neatly IIRC.

I've seen the Necro Butcher get a ton of hate and I don't get that either.
Sounds really promising. I like Drake. I think he's pretty solid outside of death matches and he actually tries/knows how to work traditional bouts. I give him credit. Some death match workers simply don't know dick about other matches. Including Danny Havoc. But, I'm still a fan. Sami is the king though. I got to give this match a watch. Still can't believe they worked a 60 minute match together.

Nor do I. I do think it died down when he went to ROH and showed more people his capabilities. Doesn't matter. I know how good he is. You do. Anyone who seems him does. He even plays a great comedic heel too. "Hollywood" Dylan Summers in 2008 was a whole lot of fun.
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Link to the iron man:

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xt3...t#.UN4HW28snSg

It's missing around forty seconds at the beginning.
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Oh man it's on dailymotion? Radical.

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Really need to watch that ladder match again!

On the subject of Sami, I've only seen his PWG and Finlay matches, and he has never come across to me as a 'great' worker and I still don't buy the hype. His PWG matches have all ranged from really bad to just 'ok' for me, but the Davey match gave me hope that I might be able to see something in him if I watch more, but saying that, I really don't get the urge to watch any of his stuff because he just generally annoys me so much.

On another subject, here's my MOTY list so far since some other people did it(everything **** and over I've seen)...
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Kazuchika Okada vs Tetsuya Naito (NJPW 04/03) ****1/2
Kazuchika Okada vs Hiroshi Tanahashi (NJPW Dominion) ****1/2
CM Punk vs Daniel Bryan (WWE Over The Limit) ****1/2
Hiroshi Tanahashi vs Minoru Suzuki (NJPW King Of Pro Wrestling) ****1/2
El Generico vs Kota Ibushi (DDT 21/10) ****1/2

Suwama vs Yuji Nagata (AJPW 05/05) ****1/4
Tetsuya Naito vs. Kazuchika Okada (NJPW G1 Climax 03/08) ****1/4
Daisuke Sekimoto vs Suwama (AJPW 02/01) ****1/4
The Young Bucks vs El Generico & Kenny Omega (PWG Failure To Communicate) ****1/4
The Young Bucks vs Future Shock vs Super Smash Brothers (PWG Threemendous III) ****1/4
Bobby Roode vs Austin Aries (TNA Destination X) ****1/4
Daniel Bryan vs Sheamus (WWE Extreme Rules) ****1/4
Hirooki Goto & Tetsuya Naito vs Masato Tanaka & Shinsuke Nakamura (NJPW Dominion) ****1/4
Davey Richards vs Michael Elgin (ROH SITS Night Two) ****1/4
Kazuchika Okada vs Hirooki Goto (NJPW Dontaku) ****1/4
Katsuhiko Nakajima vs SHINGO (D-Ring 11/02) ****1/4
Hiroshi Tanahashi vs Minoru Suzuki (NJPW Wrestle Kingdom VI) ****1/4
Daisuke Sekimoto vs Yoshihito Sasaki (BJW 26/03) ****1/4
Adam Cole vs Kyle O'Reilly (ROH Best In The World) ****1/4
CM Punk vs Chris Jericho (WWE Extreme Rules) ****1/4
Prince Devitt vs Pac (NJPW 06/06) ****1/4
Suwama vs Seiya Sanada (AJPW 04/03) ****1/4
El Generico vs Ricochet (PWG Death To All But Metal) ****1/4
Go Shiozaki vs Takeshi Morishima (NOAH 22/01) ****1/4

Jun Akiyama vs Keiji Mutoh (AJPW 20/03) ****
Jushin Thunder Liger & Tiger Mask vs Taichi & TAKA Michinoku (NJPW Dominion) ****
The Shield vs Ryback & Team Hell No (WWE TLC) ****
Horishi Tanahashi vs Togi Makabe (NJPW/AJPW 01/07) ****
Kazuchika Okada vs Karl Anderson (NJPW King Of Pro Wrestling) ****
CM Punk vs John Cena (WWE Night Of Champions) ****
CM Punk vs Chris Jericho (WWE Wrestlemania 28) ****
Kazuchika Okada vs Karl Anderson (NJPW King Of Pro Wrestling) ****
Shinsuke Nakamura vs Karl Anderson (NJPW power Struggle) ****
Austin Aries vs Samoa Joe (TNA Slammiversary) ****
The Young Bucks vs The Super Smash Brothers (PWG Death To All But Metal) ****
CM Punk vs Mark Hnery (WWE RAW 02/04) ****
Sara Del Rey vs El Generico (CHIKARA) ****
Yoshihito Sasaki & Yuji Okabayashi vs Daisuke Sekimoto & Big Van Walter (BJW 28/4) ****
Daisuke Sekimoto & Yuji Okabayashi vs Suwama & Takumi Soya (AJPW 20/03) ****
Daisuke Sekimoto & Yoshihito Sasaki vs Akebono & Ryuto Hama (BJW 02/01) ****
Lowki vs Prince Devitt (NJPW Dontaku) ****
CM Punk vs Mark Henry (WWE RAW 16/04) ****
NRC vs Apollo 55 (NJPW The New Beginning) ****
Daisuke Sekimoto & Yuji Okabayashi vs Akebono & Ryuto Hama (AJPW 03/01) ****
Daniel Bryan vs CM Punk (WWE Smackdown 21/02) ****
Daniel Bryan vs CM Punk (WWE RAW 30/01) ****
HHH vs Brock Lesnar (WWE Summerslam) ****
Chris Hero vs Michael Elgin (ROH Homecoming) ****
Daisuke Sekimoto vs Yuji Okabayashi (BJW 26/02) ****
Minoru Suzuki vs Togi Makabe (NJPW Dominion) ****
Yuji Nagata & Wataru Inoue vs Masayuki Kono & Minoru (AJPW 03/02) ****
Hiroshi Tanahashi, Hirooki Goto & Tetsuya Naito vs. Kazuchika Okada, Shinsuke Nakamura & Tomohiro Ishii (NJPW 10/06) ****
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