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Old 12-24-2012, 11:41 PM   #2451 (permalink)
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Eddie Edwards vs Michael Elgin - PWG Failure To Communicate

This isn't your average Davey Richards match full of no selling, stupid mannerisms and generally horrible.

In fairness Eddie normally does good sell jobs when the match isn't back and forth for 30 minutes.
What, you mean every single Edwards Singles match ever?

Unless, of course, this happens to be the first time ever that Eddie can go five minutes without hitting his shit. Or, you know....actually let the other guy have a control segment or an extended comeback of some kind. Because with all due respect, I have never seen him go five minutes straight while getting worked over in in a singles match without having to hit his shit. Not once. Not in one single match. I continue to be convinced that he has no idea how to structure a match, and I continue to consider him the most overrated worker on the planet.

Damn it, Seabs. I was really hoping 2012 would be a year without an Edwards MOTYC.

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He can't be the most overrated with people claiming Michael Elgin is the most improved of the year and Davey Richards is legit a good worker. I know you hate Eddie, but he's hardly ever put over minus the matches vs Davey last year.
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Just posted this in the DVD thrad but figured I'd put it here too.

TLC 2012: Ryback, Daniel Bryan & Kane vs The Shield

A couple days before, I had said that I wanted this match to go down like Resilience vs No Remorse Corp/Matt Sydal from Death Before Dishonor V in ROH. And that's exactly what I got...only better. I'll start off with the weapons. We had a couple new table spots, Ambrose using chairs like a beast, some pretty cool bumps with the ladder and no ridiculous climbing for no reason. I know a fear was that there'd be tons of climbing for no reason, but all we had was the big bump at the end and that made sense. What I loved most about this match though was the comeback phases. First Kane got a big one, Ryback had a few and then the Bryan one where he locks in the No! Lock on everyone is fucking great. The crowd was big into it as well. But every time it looked like the good guys were out of it, someone would make the save for them. Also loved the camera work in this match. Emphasizing Bryan trying to crawl to help Ryback down at the stage and then Ryback making his way back to the ring but too late. Only complaint with this match is that Kane seemed to be down kinda long. Same with Ryback after the announce table spot. But that barely hurts this for me. ****1/2
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Brye have you seen anything else from the year that isn't WWE/TNA? b/c I'll do a quick plug in trying to get you to watch a Puro match or two...

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I really haven't been able to catch much other stuff this year. My friend went to a PWG show that did Steen/Generico in a Guerrilla Warfare match that he said owned but I haven't caught any puro or indy stuff for the most part this year. :/

Would love some suggestions.
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hmm. Neither had a Guerrilla Warfare match this year (vs each other), but maybe he meant their ladder match from last year?

Top 3 Puro matches of the year imo are:

Kazuchika Okada vs Tetsuya Naito ~ NJPW 40th Anniversary Show
Kazuchika Okada vs Hiroshi Tanahashi ~ NJPW Dominion
Hiroshi Tanahashi vs Minoru Suzuki ~ NJPW King of Pro Wrestling

Aren't you a fan of Lance Hoyt/Vance Archer? He's had some awesome tag team matches in NJPW this year. He's in a tag team with Harry Smith (David Hart Smith). Has a tag team championship match on the same iPPV that I mentioned, King of Pro Wrestling. It's my show of the year, btw. It's amazing. Well worth a watch if you have time. Plus, it has some other names you're familiar with like Low Ki, Alex Shelley, Rocky Romero, & the Hoyt/Smith tag match.

Indie stuff: Steen vs Generico Last Man Standing from Showdown in the Sun Night One, Adam Cole vs Kyle O'Reilly HYBRID FIGHT RULES from Best in the World '12, anything involving Eddie Kingston defending his Chikara Grand Championship in Chikara. (vs Brodie Lee, Sara Del Rey, Tadasuke, Jigsaw, etc) El Generico vs Sara Del Rey from Chikara Hot Off The Griddle, 3 Way Guerrilla Warfare for Tag Team Championship from PWG Threemendous III, and while I haven't seen it, but it is getting universal praise - The Young Bucks vs El Generico & Kenny Omega from PWG Failure To Communicate.

Just some matches all off the top of my head. Tried to think of wrestlers you're mostly familiar with to help you out. Had to plug Chikara since the high point of the company this year was all of the great singles championship matches with Kingston. You might enjoy the Steen vs Rhino & Steen vs Michael Elgin championship matches from ROH Death Before Dishonor & Glory By Honor, respectively. Also, caution, but if you're curious to see Davey vs Elgin from Showdown in the Sun Night 2, then there is always that. Meltzer gave it the full 5. I hate it, but personally, that's me.
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hmm. Neither had a Guerrilla Warfare match this year (vs each other), but maybe he meant their ladder match from last year?

Top 3 Puro matches of the year imo are:

Kazuchika Okada vs Tetsuya Naito ~ NJPW 40th Anniversary Show
Kazuchika Okada vs Hiroshi Tanahashi ~ NJPW Dominion
Hiroshi Tanahashi vs Minoru Suzuki ~ NJPW King of Pro Wrestling

Aren't you a fan of Lance Hoyt/Vance Archer? He's had some awesome tag team matches in NJPW this year. He's in a tag team with Harry Smith (David Hart Smith). Has a tag team championship match on the same iPPV that I mentioned, King of Pro Wrestling. It's my show of the year, btw. It's amazing. Well worth a watch if you have time. Plus, it has some other names you're familiar with like Low Ki, Alex Shelley, Rocky Romero, & the Hoyt/Smith tag match.

Indie stuff: Steen vs Generico Last Man Standing from Showdown in the Sun Night One, Adam Cole vs Kyle O'Reilly HYBRID FIGHT RULES from Best in the World '12, anything involving Eddie Kingston defending his Chikara Grand Championship in Chikara. (vs Brodie Lee, Sara Del Rey, Tadasuke, Jigsaw, etc) El Generico vs Sara Del Rey from Chikara Hot Off The Griddle, 3 Way Guerrilla Warfare for Tag Team Championship from PWG Threemendous III, and while I haven't seen it, but it is getting universal praise - The Young Bucks vs El Generico & Kenny Omega from PWG Failure To Communicate.

Just some matches all off the top of my head. Tried to think of wrestlers you're mostly familiar with to help you out. Had to plug Chikara since the high point of the company this year was all of the great singles championship matches with Kingston. You might enjoy the Steen vs Rhino & Steen vs Michael Elgin championship matches from ROH Death Before Dishonor & Glory By Honor, respectively. Also, caution, but if you're curious to see Davey vs Elgin from Showdown in the Sun Night 2, then there is always that. Meltzer gave it the full 5. I hate it, but personally, that's me.
Just looked up the show and it was Adam Cole/Kevin Steen.

Thanks for the puro suggestions and that Archer stuff sounds great. I was a big fan of him and I liked DH Smith. I'll give that show a look since I mark for Shelley and Ki as well.

The indy stuff sounds good. Might skip out on the Young Bucks match as I'm not a huge fan but GENERICO might make up for that. My friend met Generico at a PWG show this year.

Steen/Rhino sounds pretty cool too. I can already tell I wouldn't like Richards/Elgin but I might sit through it if I have time just in case.
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Just looked up the show and it was Adam Cole/Kevin Steen.

Thanks for the puro suggestions and that Archer stuff sounds great. I was a big fan of him and I liked DH Smith. I'll give that show a look since I mark for Shelley and Ki as well.

The indy stuff sounds good. Might skip out on the Young Bucks match as I'm not a huge fan but GENERICO might make up for that. My friend met Generico at a PWG show this year.

Steen/Rhino sounds pretty cool too. I can already tell I wouldn't like Richards/Elgin but I might sit through it if I have time just in case.
Ah ok. The latest PWG show. Damn. I'm jealous. I'm so close but I still didn't go haha. It's probably excellent.

Yeah, please man. It's such a fantastic show. Only match that didn't deliver was the one that was short for storyline purposes/injury. Poor Naito. He had a brief run in TNA during 2009 as a part of the tag team No Limit. Maybe that will ring a bell. Shelley & Ki's matches are AWESOME.

GENERICO SWAG. He makes everything good. I hope you'll warm up to the Young Bucks soon. They're one of the best tag teams going today. Such a superb team. I've met them, but not Generico directly yet. I've had Generico acknowledge me and high five me so ! You're friend is damn lucky.

Watch Richards/Elgin with your buddies so you guys can laugh together. I'm serious. That's the funny part.
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He can't be the most overrated with people claiming Michael Elgin is the most improved of the year and Davey Richards is legit a good worker. I know you hate Eddie, but he's hardly ever put over minus the matches vs Davey last year.
Even this year, people are talking about what an elite worker he is. I know this may get me in trouble, but I'll take Elgin every single day over Eddie, and to me, everything people hate about Davey, Eddie does worse.

Also, I gotta give a big thumbs down to Ibushi/Generico. You know I love you, Bubz, but I'm sorry, 'COUNTERZ!!!' is not a story. I love counters as much as the next guy: nothing makes me mark out more, usually. But that is literally all there was to this match. A negligible lack of any kind of control and then just two guys going back and forth for most of the match. I know that compared to most on this board, I require a control session to really enjoy a singles match, so maybe that's why I disliked it so much. But if a match ends up being back-and-forth through the entirety of the match, its likely I'll hate it, which is why I hate almost all of Eddie Edwards' matches. I simply saw no story at all here.

From my understanding, people hated Elgin/Davey because there was very little selling behind the random moves and momentum switches. Even so, what little control there was in the backwork was more than anything here. I have only seen both of these matches once, but I continue to be confused by matches like this being loved while Elgin/Richards was hated. Quite frankly, I am baffled that this is a MOTY candidate.

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I think I vaguely remember No Limit.

I think I just need the right matches to watch Young Bucks. Most of their stuff I've seen was the TNA stuff and I just didn't love it.

One of my friends that's really into wrestling absolutely hates Davey so he'd probably get a kick out of it.
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