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Old 12-22-2012, 06:40 AM   #2381 (permalink)
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Ziggler/Cena for me was *** 1/4 - *** 1/2.

Whoever said its a 4 star match....wow. Not even close.
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Old 12-22-2012, 06:43 AM   #2382 (permalink)
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Did I miss something? John Cena matches are aimed at children (and therefore silly & illogical by design), right?
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Got around to watching SSB vs YB's from Death to Metal and that match blew me away. I didn't think it could top the 3 way ladder match but it really did for me. Easily my MOTY from the US.

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Did I miss something? John Cena matches are aimed at children (and therefore silly & illogical by design), right?
I really hope you're joking.
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I really hope you're joking.
There's humour & exaggeration in there of course, but at the same time, I honestly don't concern myself with all the dumb shit WWE & TNA pull 'cos I don't feel like I'm a part of their target audience.
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Ok, then fair enough. b/c I know Cena is very appealing to the youngsters, and WWE does market him towards them much like Hogan, but that isn't his only target audience. I'd say the entire audience is, of course. Only, there happens to be a group out there who would rather not see him succeed or even at all.
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Davey Richards vs Michael Elgin
Has Dave Meltzer lost his fucking mind? There was a point in time when I could have considered this man's opinion to be the be end, end all but what the hell is wrong with this man? Apart from robbing the WWE countless matches of the almighty "*****" the guy seems to have a new-found love hard hitting, high impact, spot infested matches. Are you telling me that this match is in the same boat as Flair/Steambaot? or Flair/Funk COC? or Ausrin/Bret? Let's get on with the review.

The match stars off instantly with Davey in intense mode. I liked it. Or I should say I didn't mind it. As clumsy and lost as he looked just walking around hitting Elgin kicks on the barricade, it worked. He gets Elgin back in the ring and in no time Elgin manages to hit a torture rack backbreaker as Davey rebounds off the rope. From here, Elgin targets the back of Elgin and I must say Davey sold well. I thought Davey did one hell of a sell job as Elgin worked the back, especially during that stretch (I can't for the life of me remember atm what it's called)

Anyway, that's the first 5 minutes or so. I really don't know what the hell happened because I thought the match was off to a great start. Here's when things started to go downhill. Richards, on the apron, grabs a hold of Elgin's head tries to hit it on the turnbuckle but Elgin counters. Elgin hits Davey's head on the turnbuckle, Davey does a complete NO SELL and hits Elgin's head on the turnbuckle and man down. From here, all the back work, everything is ignored and match goes into rage mode. DAT WORKRATE!!

Honestly, I don't even know where to go from here with this review. I really can't even do a play by play analysis or anything because the match is one giant clusterfuck. It just breaks down into a demonstration of moves and street fighter combos. Elgin did a powerbomb to Davey on the barricade put it meant nothing. The match is one giant blur quite frankly. So many things happen in so little time that I just can't even keep up with it. The amount of moves done in one sequence is ridiculous. Not to mention makes no sense. I can't even remember the finish. This match is just terrible. This is not a MOTYC, guys like Davey Richards and Michael Elgin and matches like this are ruining the sport of professional wrestling. Despite what the crowd may have thought, this isn't wrestling. This is garbage. This is, as I call it, a demonstration of moves. A spectacle really. ROH claims to be pro wrestling and anti-sports entertainment. My ass. This is sports-entertainment in its purest form. Bright, flashly moves done for the sake of a "Holy shit" chant. Nothing more, nothing less.

Oh and I would like to point out one more thing. Nigel McGuiness could make a damn fine WWE commentator. Why? Because he sure mistakes the viewers for idiots. Richards successfully does a T-Bone suplex to Elgin. A couple seconds later he attempts another one and Nigel says "It's too early in the match, Richards hasn't worn him down enough yet to get the big man off his feet" Umm, I just saw him like 30 seconds ago pick him up and throw him around.

If this match is a 5 star match then I can think of about 20 other matches this year that should also be considered 5 stars. This match is no different from any other ROH main event.

*1/2 for the good start and quite frankly there's no possible way to write no stars. And the idea of negative stars just doesn't sit too well with me but if there ever were a match deserving of it, it would be this one.
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I credit Nigel for making fans try to care about the guys involved. Especially Elgin. Kevin Kelly with his infamous "this is the greatest wrestling match I've ever called" line deserves to be smacked in the head.

You forgot to mention the hilarious part when Davey drops Elgin on his head from the top rope and then the crowd goes apeshit for the rest of the match after being dead for the first 15 or so.

*1/2 is where I'm set at too.
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I credit Nigel for making fans try to care about the guys involved. Especially Elgin. Kevin Kelly with his infamous "this is the greatest wrestling match I've ever called" line deserves to be smacked in the head.

You forgot to mention the hilarious part when Davey drops Elgin on his head from the top rope and then the crowd goes apeshit for the rest of the match after being dead for the first 15 or so.

*1/2 is where I'm set at too.
You know how the die hard ROH fans love to say "I don't WWE because I don't like having my intelligence insulted" Well here's the thing, in order to have your intelligence insulted you need to actually have intelligence. And I make no apologies when I say this and quite frankly I don't care but some of these ROH die-hards (more specifically these anti-WWE rebels) are literally to stupid to insult. Because anybody that buys into these type of matches is a freaking idiot. I don't mind if someone just loves this style of wrestling but to go out on a limb and say that the "WWE style match" insults your intelligence is mind boggling when guys are getting dropped on their head from the top rope repeatedly and kicking out like it's nothing.

Oh and I just want to elaborate on how I rate matches. I know a lot of people may be thinking if I hated the match so much why not **1/2 or heck how about *** stars. Because that would imply the match was somewhat decent. Here's how I look at ratings. To me star ratings isn't about the number of high spots or holds or moves in the match, it's my overall enjoyment. A three star match is just that. A match that's nothing special but at the same time nothing bad. Your typical Kofi Kingston match. A match doesn't have to be a certain length to be considered in the three star range. it could be 4 minutes and I would still give it three stars, or maybe less like **1/2. Example, Show vs Lesnar SS '02.

To me star ratings are just my overall enjoyment with a match and things like number of moves and spots and certainly the length of the match has no impact on my overall enjoyment.

Anyway, enough of that before I land my ass in hot water. I believe I went the entire 2012 without ever getting banned, a first might I add lol. Anyyway, when it comes to other wrestling my MOTY is Tanahashi/Suzuki. Posted a review of it a few pages back.

Okada/Naito I have at ****1/4 Great match but nothing memorable in the long run to me. As for Tanahashi/Okada, I'm not as high on it as most people for some odd reason. Haven't seen it since but I believe my initial rating was ***3/4. If I feel like it I'll probably give it a second viewing.
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Hiroshi Tanahashi vs Kazuchika Okada: **** 1/2

Tetsuya Naito vs Kazuchika Okada: **** 1/4

Okada is becoming one of my favourite wrestlers at the moment. Great worker, plus his theme is badass.
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