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Old 12-21-2012, 03:54 PM   #2361 (permalink)
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Still haven't seen the ladder war.....But I've seen Generico vs Del Rey.

Sara Del Rey vs El Generico- Chikara Hot of the Griddle

Someone please try convince me that Generico isn't the best worker in North America. Please try convince me. That's not taking anything away from Sara who is a fantastic wrestler and was in my top 10 Indy workers before she was WWE bound. The dynamic here was pure golds. Generico's hesitation at times,then unleashing everything.It's amazing how emotive Generico can be through his body language and facial expressions. Match had many great moments. Awesome crowd too. Loved the dueling "YES,YES,YES" and "sí,sí,sí" chants. Generico busting out the royal butterfly was a very nice touch,but Sara pulling out the Yes lock was an awesome touch. An fantastic match from two fantastic wrestlers.

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That first Yakuza kick to Sara was bloody incredible.
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James Mason vs Robbie Dynamite - Welshpool 07.09.2012
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40z-QiSmiNs

Moops and WOOLCOCK will like this. It's a travesty that so little current Mason is available. He'd probably have a great shot at WOTY for 2012 if there was more than just a handful of matches available. Mason does his thing and Mason doing his thing is all you need. Dynamite is really underrated too. Loved how whenever the match had a technical wrestling focus Mason would come out on top and Robbie always gained the upper hand when it took a brawling turn. Great little match. I could watch Mason all day long. He could probably run through a match like this in his sleep. James needs a mate to follow him around with a handheld like Allmark has. Desperately.


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Kahagas vs Damien Wayne - NWA 09.11.2012
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuJKqzCGJTM

So much fun. First of all, I've found the most enthusiastic commentator ever. He even beats Nigel for enthusiasm. Spent 2/3rds of this cackling at his enthusiasm for everything. It's not goofy either, it's just so fun to hear a commentator putting a match over with so much passion. Match is super fun. Feels like something straight out of an episode of Memphis TV from the 80's with an excited Lance Russell talking all over it. Pretty sure Davey Richards does combo moves with more wrestling moves than they used in this. Awesome brawl with some great shots. Wayne's leg drops looked great. Uncoordinated brawls that flow well are hard to come by but this and Gallows/Dreamer are excellent examples of how to do an Indy brawl without using a million weapon spots or risking your future for a spot. No finish is a shame but it's to set up another match and it worked well. Easily one of the better Indy matches this year. Watch if nothing else for the enthusiastic commentary.


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Old 12-21-2012, 07:37 PM   #2364 (permalink)
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Wayne/Kahagas was pretty awesome, yeah. They had a match in March, too. Wayne's fucking great. Every match he's had this year has been good, and I seek for everything he's done. Definitely one of my favourites in the world.

Not sure if I've watched Mason/Dynamite. Actually I think that was the one I watched but was kind of multi-tasking during and didn't pay the best attention to.
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Seabs, where the hell do you find this stuff? it's like you pull these matches out of your ass sometimes lol.

Saw Kahagus vs Damien Wayne and damn it was impressive. The match reeks of awesome. I'm not sure if I would go so high on it but it was a pretty damn good match. I don't know if Wayne juiced or not, but if he did, the use of blood in this match didn't add anything to the match. Could have told the same story without imo. Let's just say red didn't equal green. Red was just red. But hey, that's the true definition of nitpicking there. This was an awesome brawl! They hardly make them like this these days.

And of course, how could I forget the commentary. The commentary, like you mentioned, is superb. Holy shit, whoever that guy is WWE needs to find his ass and get him on my TV! He's like a freaking mini-JR "Hide you drinks there's DNA everywhere!" "If you came here expecting wristlocks, you came to the wrong place!" "These two need a cage!"

Gonna watch that first match you posted now.
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Heard of both those guys, yet I've found myself having a hard time piecing together how. I do believe Kahagas worked a few matches in the first few FIP shows. Wayne, I have no idea. Maybe from some random NWA/Indie shows I've borrowed from friends. Either way, I'm giving it a watch.

Commentator begins speaking and I'm already enjoying him. This should be fun.
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Heard of both those guys, yet I've found myself having a hard time piecing together how. I do believe Kahagas worked a few matches in the first few FIP shows. Wayne, I have no idea. Maybe from some random NWA/Indie shows I've borrowed from friends. Either way, I'm giving it a watch.

Commentator begins speaking and I'm already enjoying him. This should be fun.
It's a great match

Right now, I'm just watching tons of indy shit. I just suddenly have an urge to watch indy wrestling. I'm getting a little tired of watching WWE matches all day long. Gotta switch things up a bit from time to time.

Gonna watch Elgins vs Richards now. I'm going in with it in a clean mind. Then again I went in to Richards/Edwards BITW and Generico/Steen FB 2010 with a clean mind as well and things didn't turn out too well. If this section had a match discussion thread I would have posted a review on both those matches (completely ripping them apart of course )

Oh well off to Elgins/Richards. Hope I keep my sanity. I just finished Generico/Steen and quite frankly, there's only a little of my sanity left.
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Generico vs Steen rules. The ONLY crap factor about it was the horrible, dull crowd. Commentary too. Prazak even sucked during it.

Davey vs Elgin. Lol. Much of the same with the crowd till a DANGEROUS spot happens. Then they love it. Only that match has something Generico vs Steen didn't, amazing commentary that could almost make you care/root for the guys involved. If you shut your brain off and just watch it, then you can go "oh, that was interesting." If not, it's SO bad. Then again I think I'm one of it's most notorious, hmm, I don't want to say "hater" b/c that sounds stupid and incorrect. I'll claim I'm one of the most notorious fans who disapproves of the match. Yeah, that works. Not my cup of tea, at all.

Plain and simple Davey vs Elgin is where the stigma of "over the top Indie wrestling" comes from, imo.
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You didn't find Generico/Steen over the top? Really? Maybe you should go and re-watch it. The match is nothing but high spot>stall for some time>high spot and so on and so on. The match is just both guys using weapons. Every thing that they do involves the use of the weapon and it's just one big set up to a "Holy shit moment"

I couldn't get into it at all. It just felt like I was watching a circus show (then again every indy match feels like that) Typical indy match where it's just really a demonstration of maneuvers rather than, gee i don't know, an actual match. There was some moments where I thought some brilliant psychology was going to be used but I was wrong. I credit Steen for ripping the mask open to expose Genrico's face to bust him over but he just went about wrong. Two solid punches to the face followed up by Generico selling it like a boss *insert blading* and bingo! It would have gotten more over than his circus show of front flips onto the chair. It's a damn circus show, these indy matches!

Then it went into full indy mode and from the moment I saw it I knew it was coming up The thing I dread most about these matches- the finishing stretch. Where it turns into nothing but a finisher fest followed by kickouts.

Generico did the dragon suplex (I believe it was) onto a chair. That did nothing. And I can't even remember the match and it's more or less fresh out of my mind. That's to tell you the amount of ridiculous, meaningless spots there were in this match. Oh and why is it everytime ROH is doing a no-DQ match it follows this pattern

1) The heel managers puts his client's feet on the ropes
2) Ref gets knocked out
3) Some dude from the back comes running down, knocks manager out
4) Gives the babyface a weapn
5) Babyface uses it but heels kick out

and well step 6 is some more over the top shit until fuck me! We get into the finish. Honestly, if all that shit didn't knock Steen out and the Yakuza kick into the fucking brainbuster on the top rope didn't do either, then the only believable finish would be to have Genrico drag a fucking cannon ball to the ring, light the son of a bitch and blow a fucking hole in Steen's stomach. But, despite all that, the most effective thing was one steel chair to the head. Terrible match imo. The fact that it goes 30 minutes doesn't help either. That's just my take on the match.

But on a more interesting note, what gives with these overbooked finishes in ROH? Every no-DQ match, it's the same shit. I've seen it in Joe/Brisco steel cage (which was fucking awesome I might add), Punk/Raven, now this match and even this year there was some match with Steen where the same pattern of swerving and over booking was used. Was it against Richards? Can't remember, but somebody got fucking stabbed. The irony of it all is that one of them got on the mic and praised the other for the match. Umm, he just fucking stabbed you! lol. I can't remember if that's exactly what happened but I know for sure that earlier this year ROH overbooked the shit out of a match and somebody got stabbed.
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You didn't find Generico/Steen over the top? Really? Maybe you should go and re-watch it. The match is nothing but high spot>stall for some time>high spot and so on and so on. The match is just both guys using weapons. Every thing that they do involves the use of the weapon and it's just one big set up to a "Holy shit moment"

I couldn't get into it at all. It just felt like I was watching a circus show (then again every indy match feels like that) Typical indy match where it's just really a demonstration of maneuvers rather than, gee i don't know, an actual match. There was some moments where I thought some brilliant psychology was going to be used but I was wrong. I credit Steen for ripping the mask open to expose Genrico's face to bust him over but he just went about wrong. Two solid punches to the face followed up by Generico selling it like a boss *insert blading* and bingo! It would have gotten more over than his circus show of front flips onto the chair. It's a damn circus show, these indy matches!

Then it went into full indy mode and from the moment I saw it I knew it was coming up The thing I dread most about these matches- the finishing stretch. Where it turns into nothing but a finisher fest followed by kickouts.

Generico did the dragon suplex (I believe it was) onto a chair. That did nothing. And I can't even remember the match and it's more or less fresh out of my mind. That's to tell you the amount of ridiculous, meaningless spots there were in this match. Oh and why is it everytime ROH is doing a no-DQ match it follows this pattern

1) The heel managers puts his client's feet on the ropes
2) Ref gets knocked out
3) Some dude from the back comes running down, knocks manager out
4) Gives the babyface a weapn
5) Babyface uses it but heels kick out

and well step 6 is some more over the top shit until fuck me! We get into the finish. Honestly, if all that shit didn't knock Steen out and the Yakuza kick into the fucking brainbuster on the top rope didn't do either, then the only believable finish would be to have Genrico drag a fucking cannon ball to the ring, light the son of a bitch and blow a fucking hole in Steen's stomach. But, despite all that, the most effective thing was one steel chair to the head. Terrible match imo. The fact that it goes 30 minutes doesn't help either. That's just my take on the match.

But on a more interesting note, what gives with these overbooked finishes in ROH? Every no-DQ match, it's the same shit. I've seen it in Joe/Brisco steel cage (which was fucking awesome I might add), Punk/Raven, now this match and even this year there was some match with Steen where the same pattern of swerving and over booking was used. Was it against Richards? Can't remember, but somebody got fucking stabbed. The irony of it all is that one of them got on the mic and praised the other for the match. Umm, he just fucking stabbed you! lol. I can't remember if that's exactly what happened but I know for sure that earlier this year ROH overbooked the shit out of a match and somebody got stabbed.
I did just watch it again. Like 2 days ago. It was fitting for the final match of their year long rivalry. The hate was presented in spades, the deconstructing of the mask was brilliant, I only note one major spot and it occurred at the end with Steen dying by going through the table/ladder. The finish was over the top, but it made sense on the aspect of that match being 100% FINAL. It was Mask vs Career. Either Generico would lose his identity or Steen would lose his job. They weren't going to quit. The top rope brainbuster can't even initally be brought into question due to the fact Steen fell to the outside instead of directly into the ring. Also, Steen kicking out of it was the definition of not quitting. Not ONE person ever kicks out of that move. Once it connects, that's all she wrote. I felt a majority of the match was fitting, justified, and symbolic. Especially with the essence of HATE being the pulse of the bout.

I've seen matches worked like that after 1 month of "hate" in a program. Waiting to go 1 whole year before everything was left on the table, well that's fine by me. Are you familiar with this program from the start or did you just jump into this Final Battle match via the hype?

I know Indie matches CAN go over the top. Which is why I despise Davey Richards, but I feel you're generalizing far too much by claiming they're all a circus show. I've seen plenty of matches to prove that otherwise.
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