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post #2351 of 2789 (permalink) Old 12-20-2012, 06:18 PM
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This sounds like my kind of match? Where did you see this match? Is it on Youtube?

Glad to see psychology still exists on the indies. I was reading through some posts on another message board and there was this one idiot who was saying stuff like "Everyone knows wrestling is fake. It's hard to suspend disbelief when you know it's fake. Who cares about psychology and selling" He even went onto say "Everyone no sells" and that "babayface comebacks are the best example of no selling"

It was that very moment that I realized just how damaging the 9 brainbusters and 27 piledrivers has become to the way even fans view pro wrestling. I know I sound like a big hater but I refuse to support indy wrestling because these guys are killing the business. They are exposing it.

One spot that really over-exposed the business was when Richards did that top rope suplex and then Edwards just got up afterwards and suplexed him out the ring. Yes, I know wrestling is fake. But I still thought a top rope suplex would hurt like shit. Apparently, it doesn't. I absolutely loathe indy wrestling because of shit like this. And it is found in 99% of matches. Indy wrestling looks like the WWE video games. A suplex into a falcon arrow into an ankle. That's the shit I'd so in WWE '13.

Ring psychology and the art of pro wrestling is lost. It makes me sad really and to think that fans have been conditioned to accept this as wrestling to the point where they are saying "It's fake! You can't suspend your belief, you know it's fake!" It's just so sad when you sit back and realize that this is what wrestling has become. The funnest part of wrestling is suspending your belief and getting into the show. Then again, wrestlers on the indies (And the WWE as well) don't know how to engage the crowd in a match
I'm almost convinced you read that nonsense on the ROH board. Either way it's

Going to watch Final Battle today. What I've seemed to gather from the Ladder War is that it's got two things to expect:

1) It's a recycled version of Steen Wolf.
2) It's dealing with the same heatless crowds that most Generico vs Steen in ROH matches have had to deal with. Went back and watched a few of them last night/this morning. Final Battle 2010 match is GREAT, but fuck me the crowd is horrible. The sole fact that those two men sucked me in the match - with that lifeless crowd - is outstanding. Unfortunately, it sounds as if it got the better of them on Sunday considering Ladder War might not have been the most original bout in the lengthy program.

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I didn't mind the crowd for Final Battle. Maybe I was just so sucked into the match. On the other hand the crowd for their last man standing match. :

Gonna finally watch Del Rey vs Generico. I'll have a review up tomorrow.

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Generico vs Del Rey

now that's a match to get sucked into. I was standing up marking for it.

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Probably not a MOTYC, but I have to say I was quite pleasantly surprised by Team Hell No vs. Rhodes Scholars from The Main Event last night. First WWE TV match I've watched since Miz/Kingston from the same show a while back, and I was quite impressed that they were actually given a good chunk of time. I'd be lying if I said Bryan's "NO!" schtick is as entertaining as "YES!" was (frankly, I'm not sure "NO!" even makes sense), but he's still as close to his old Best in the World self as WWE will allow, Kane looked better than he has in years, and I'm relieved to see they make a tremendously entertaining team in the ring. (I know the company was supposedly quite high on their vignettes, but I don't watch those.) Cody Rhodes remains awesome, and Sandow is a solid enough worker. ***1/2, probably?
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This sounds like my kind of match? Where did you see this match? Is it on Youtube?

Glad to see psychology still exists on the indies. I was reading through some posts on another message board and there was this one idiot who was saying stuff like "Everyone knows wrestling is fake. It's hard to suspend disbelief when you know it's fake. Who cares about psychology and selling" He even went onto say "Everyone no sells" and that "babayface comebacks are the best example of no selling"

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Ring psychology and the art of pro wrestling is lost. It makes me sad really and to think that fans have been conditioned to accept this as wrestling to the point where they are saying "It's fake! You can't suspend your belief, you know it's fake!" It's just so sad when you sit back and realize that this is what wrestling has become. The funnest part of wrestling is suspending your belief and getting into the show. Then again, wrestlers on the indies (And the WWE as well) don't know how to engage the crowd in a match
You can find this match on youtube right here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCkuJg6V6Dw

My gut says you'll enjoy it but its got enough SPOTZ in there to at least satisfy an ROH fan or some shizz. Not saying this match revolves around them but they exist.

Those comments people make are recockulous(thank you Chris Jericho).
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Probably not a MOTYC, but I have to say I was quite pleasantly surprised by Team Hell No vs. Rhodes Scholars from The Main Event last night. First WWE TV match I've watched since Miz/Kingston from the same show a while back, and I was quite impressed that they were actually given a good chunk of time. I'd be lying if I said Bryan's "NO!" schtick is as entertaining as "YES!" was (frankly, I'm not sure "NO!" even makes sense), but he's still as close to his old Best in the World self as WWE will allow, Kane looked better than he has in years, and I'm relieved to see they make a tremendously entertaining team in the ring. (I know the company was supposedly quite high on their vignettes, but I don't watch those.) Cody Rhodes remains awesome, and Sandow is a solid enough worker. ***1/2, probably?
Yep, ***1/2 for me too. Really good tag team affair.

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Spoiler for PWG Failure to Communicate:


Young Bucks vs. El Generico and Kenny Omega - **** 1/4
Kevin Steen vs. Ricochet vs. Michael Elgin - **** 1/2

I wrote more on why in the Indy dvd thread.

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^^^ way overrated esp the 3 way. the matches were definitely fun to watch though. Elgin did his power thing, Ricochet did his aerial thing, and Steen did his whatever wrestling he usually does thing. Pretty much them getting their spots in and ending it. Definition of a spotfest imo.

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^^^ way overrated esp the 3 way. the matches were definitely fun to watch though. Elgin did his power thing, Ricochet did his aerial thing, and Steen did his whatever wrestling he usually does thing. Pretty much them getting their spots in and ending it. Definition of a spotfest imo.
Well I said in the indy thread "I may be in the minority here" so I was expecting people to think I overrated it but I loved it. No fucks given.
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Re: The 2012 MOTYC thread

Steen/Generico ~ Ladder War ***1/4


Good spots but not much else, the whole match just felt completely disconnected and any hate between the two seemed forced. I also hate convoluted ladder spots despite what cool visuals they might reward.

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