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Damien Wayne vs. Chris Escobar-VCW: ****
I can not so proudly say that I incredibly enjoy scrappy smaller workers get beaten up by more brutish wrestlers. It may be my favorite pastime.Here we have the smaller Escobar and the pretty rugged Wayne.If you haven’t at least heard about Wayne you haven’t dug around the darkest and scariest parts of the internet wrestling world nearly enough. I've heard of the man but I can now say I've finally seen a match of his and it was great. He beats up on Escobar for a ton of it and I enjoy that to pieces. Escobar getting those comebacks going was enjoyable, if for nothing else to break up his beatdown while giving the man some hope. Neither man wanting to win by countout was just super. The only time Wayne was willing to take the countout win was when it got too dicey on the outside. Seabs mentioned this AWHILE back with his review but some of the little touches like Wayne kicking Escobar to prop him up for the tree of woe spot was GREAT and makes it look incredibly less silly than a guy just waiting there.Little fun fact, when you end the match at its climax, where you have led up to it well enough and doing too much more will be too much, it makes the match better. Some wrestlers end the match 2 brainbusters, 9 backdrop drivers, 3 SSP, and a burning hammer too late. That may or not be an exaggeration but I think I made my point.
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I love those kinds of matches too. Brodie Lee has mastered working those types of bouts. To add more Chikara references, oddly enough that's where my mind is going with this type, Kingston vs Donst I & Necro/Pondo vs ROH Students fit perfectly into the category too.

Oh, and Mark Henry vs Bryan Danielson matches

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Brodie Lee how I miss thee in Chikara and especially seeing him live in 2CW. To see his last independent match was a joy. The independents lost a great big man. I always think Roderick Strong vs. a non-shitty smallish fry is wonderful stuff. I get a real kick at measuring the hangtime one gets before having their spine make contact with Roddy's knees. Plus him chopping them to death. Fun for the whole family.

Oh and Mark Henry vs. Daniel Bryan matches, not to be cheesy but, YES! YES! YES!
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Roddy's demolition on small punks is fun. He might not be a big hoss such as Brodie, but the brutality is the same. Chops, sick kicks, and backbreakers. Oh my! (I out cheesed you man.)

Danielson dies far too many times apparently. vs Henry & vs Strong. But, he stands toe to toe with Morishima in their brilliant series. Ironic fun!

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Glad to see someone else mention that Wayne/Escobar match. It is indeed really fucking good.

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You out cheesed me. I thought I brought so much cheese . Wayne isn't a hoss like Brodie but he's bigger than Roddy for some size comparison. I was actually watching Man Up! the other week as Morishima released the late night Syfy movie, SUPER MONSTER-HEEL DICK, before Syfy cheese was cool.

The match was damn good. I have like one or two DVDs left from 2012 to watch but since I don't have the money to buy some more, and I don't want VOD, I've been going to YouTube. So far matches like Escobar/Wayne and Walker/Scorpio have made me wonder why I haven't kept up with stuff all along.
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Damien Wayne vs. Chris Escobar-VCW: ****
I can not so proudly say that I incredibly enjoy scrappy smaller workers get beaten up by more brutish wrestlers. It may be my favorite pastime.Here we have the smaller Escobar and the pretty rugged Wayne.If you haven’t at least heard about Wayne you haven’t dug around the darkest and scariest parts of the internet wrestling world nearly enough. I've heard of the man but I can now say I've finally seen a match of his and it was great. He beats up on Escobar for a ton of it and I enjoy that to pieces. Escobar getting those comebacks going was enjoyable, if for nothing else to break up his beatdown while giving the man some hope. Neither man wanting to win by countout was just super. The only time Wayne was willing to take the countout win was when it got too dicey on the outside. Seabs mentioned this AWHILE back with his review but some of the little touches like Wayne kicking Escobar to prop him up for the tree of woe spot was GREAT and makes it look incredibly less silly than a guy just waiting there.Little fun fact, when you end the match at its climax, where you have led up to it well enough and doing too much more will be too much, it makes the match better. Some wrestlers end the match 2 brainbusters, 9 backdrop drivers, 3 SSP, and a burning hammer too late. That may or not be an exaggeration but I think I made my point.
This sounds like my kind of match? Where did you see this match? Is it on Youtube?

Glad to see psychology still exists on the indies. I was reading through some posts on another message board and there was this one idiot who was saying stuff like "Everyone knows wrestling is fake. It's hard to suspend disbelief when you know it's fake. Who cares about psychology and selling" He even went onto say "Everyone no sells" and that "babayface comebacks are the best example of no selling"

It was that very moment that I realized just how damaging the 9 brainbusters and 27 piledrivers has become to the way even fans view pro wrestling. I know I sound like a big hater but I refuse to support indy wrestling because these guys are killing the business. They are exposing it.

One spot that really over-exposed the business was when Richards did that top rope suplex and then Edwards just got up afterwards and suplexed him out the ring. Yes, I know wrestling is fake. But I still thought a top rope suplex would hurt like shit. Apparently, it doesn't. I absolutely loathe indy wrestling because of shit like this. And it is found in 99% of matches. Indy wrestling looks like the WWE video games. A suplex into a falcon arrow into an ankle. That's the shit I'd so in WWE '13.

Ring psychology and the art of pro wrestling is lost. It makes me sad really and to think that fans have been conditioned to accept this as wrestling to the point where they are saying "It's fake! You can't suspend your belief, you know it's fake!" It's just so sad when you sit back and realize that this is what wrestling has become. The funnest part of wrestling is suspending your belief and getting into the show. Then again, wrestlers on the indies (And the WWE as well) don't know how to engage the crowd in a match

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Wayne/Escobar have had like four or five matches I've liked a lot this year IIRC.

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Re: The 2012 MOTYC thread

Dean Allmark vs Stixx - ASW:UK 14.08.2012
By the books Allmark match but a by the books Allmark match is better than 90% of wrestling out there from 2012. Deano's babyface moveset is the fucking best. Stixx is a guy that's had enough really good matches this year that I'm kinda having to accept that he must be really good. I'm not crazy about him but he keeps on delivering even with guys not as good as Allmark. He's good here and gives Allmark enough to make it really good. Gets really good at the end from Deano's first comeback onwards. Probably on par with their IPW:UK match this year but that had one of my favourite finishes all year so I probably just prefer that.

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Kevin Steen vs El Generico - Ladder War - ROH Final Battle 2012

I thought this was decent but definitely nothing more and definitely not a MOTYC. The biggest difference between their PWG matches and their ROH matches is how much better they get the sense of utter despise for each other over. In the 2 PWG matches it felt like a special sort of hate feud. The ROH matches feel like two good workers working hardcore matches. I'm not convinced Steen is really invested in this ROH run. If you can't see the difference in enthusiasm and enjoyment between PWG Steen and ROH Steen then there's no hope left for you. Crowd doesn't give it much heat either. Not in between spots at least. There's points at the start but where there's an awkward silence before something happens or someone starts shouting OLE. I was into it after the first Ladder spot when Steen was bullying Generico around. Then they got into doing spots and I gradually faded more and more. None of the spots bar the finish are all that memorable and I wasn't expecting that to be a knock on the match. The Table/Ladder spot sucked because there's no room for a guy like Steen to get elevation for a bump like that and the table on top of the ladder just made it look an ugly spot rather than an ugly bump. Guys going through Ladders does nothing for me anymore either. I remember the first time WWE did the broken ladder spot and I totally lost it because those Ladders look sturdy as hell and nobody ever goes right through one. These Ladders don't really look like they'd support anything and they break so easily it's not as visually impressive a bump. I think they did bumps through 4 Ladders, so even in the context of the match they killed the uniqueness of going through a Ladder. Finish looked cool if a tad too much pro wrestling flawed with the obvious set up. I would have enjoyed this match much more with Nigel losing his shit all over it. ROH have made countless numbers of horrible decisions since Gabe went but this might be the worst. He doesn't even do anything that warrants him not doing commentary on an iPPV. Kelly is so phony and sounds like he's doing this is a chore and not something he's into. The other guys sounds like a clone of Kelly and was more bothered about getting over the silly tagline and how he was scared for his own safety rather than being scared for Generico's safety and marking out for the finish like Nigel would have. I hated Steen/Elgin but Nigel made the last 5 minutes at least kinda fun. Good. You can live without it.

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