[Groovemachine]

Meh, Elgin/Richards is still my MOTY. I'd put it down to live bias as I was totally marking out in person, but then I still loved it on a rewatch. I can understand some of the criticisms levied against it, but I wouldn't necessarily agree with them. Personally I thought the match made Elgin a star. Since the match, he's relied too heavily on the 'kick out at 1' comeback towards the end of his matches, but back in March it was pretty cool and made him look like a beast, especially as it was done at just the right moment when everyone legit thought the match was over. Hey, I'm in the relative minority in thinking it was a terrific contest, but I thought I'd voice my opinion and come to its defense!

[djmathers1207]

Richards/Elgin is a legit 5 star match. The crowd was hot the entire match and was clearly divided on who to cheer for, which bugs me about WWE & TNA fans. The spot where Davey kicked him and Elgin kicking out at 1 was awesome. Even Nigel on commentary was great. He was so into the match as well. If you don't like the match, that's fine.

[Bruce L]

My #1 MOTY is Okada/Tanahashi (6/16), which is a great example of how a clear, focused story based on smart, consistent work can make a great match.

My #2 MOTY is Richards/Elgin (Showdown in the Sun), which is a great example of how "two guys are gonna fight; who's gonna win?" can be more than enough of a story enough to make a great match all by itself.

[Seabs]

Originally Posted by ADC

He panders to the crowd too much, but he definately has the skills.

..... this isn't a bad thing.

[geraldinhio]

Mystery vortex looks epic to say the least and really happy at how DDT4 is shaping up. PWG have another awesome year. I just wish I went unspoiled for mystery vortex,like imagine how awesome it would be not even knowing the card. I just couldn't help myself. Also why dafuq hasn't WWE or TNA picked up on Brian Cage?

Also why is JoeRulz humbled? :/

[Bubz]

Think he did something to annoy Roman King.

PWG's year has disappointed me in this second half, although Mystery Vortex looks like it could see them back at their best.

[geraldinhio]

I still thoroughly enjoyed the second half being honest. Only thing PWG did that annoyed me was booking Younger.

[blink_41sum_182]

Originally Posted by Groovemachine

Meh, Elgin/Richards is still my MOTY. I'd put it down to live bias as I was totally marking out in person, but then I still loved it on a rewatch.

Same. I went in to the match wishing we'd gotten tickets to Night 1 but that match was fucking amazing. Me and my friend were on the rail and as soon as I got back to my 70 year old uncle, he just looks at me and says "5 stars." I thought it was more along the lines of **** 1/4 then when I rewatched it, I liked it even more and have it at **** 1/2 and one of my top 3 matches of the year.

I don't give a fuck what anyone else thinks.

[Yeah1993]

Originally Posted by WOOLCOCK

I liked it a bit more than Cactus, but yeah overall it wasn't a match that won me over when I heard the praise for it going in. Davey did sell for most of the match, even though the only time the selling actually really played into a sequence was Elgin's great slip when trying to stand after being in an ankle lock leading to Davey hitting a running kick.

No joke, when Davey ate a big move and Elgin was picking was him up to do something else I was enjoying it for ten seconds, then Elgin gives him a turnbuckle powerbomb which Davey decides is the best time to land on his feet and run a Elgin with a kick.

Originally Posted by WOOLCOCK

I can see why people can look at how it made Elgin look legit (in the eyes of the ROH fans in attendance, as I didn't really think it came close to other breakthrough matches/performances) and why people who love the ROH style would dig it, but its just not a match for me. It wasn't as bad as I feared going in, but it was hardly that much better than I could have expected.

I have a bit of a question about that, did that like 'make' Elgin for people as a great worker or as a guy who can kayfabe hang with 'one of the greats' in Richards (*cough*)? Because either way Elgin looks to be one of the most boring drones I've ever seen. He looks like the kind of guy who doesn't have a voice.

Already watched the Finay/Allmark tag. Probably only my third favourite match from this year so far and I haven't seen that many. Is he top ten in the world? I've only been watching US & Euro so far but man he shouldn't be wrestling mostly where only people with handhelds can tape him.

[Nervosa]

I just want to say..........where were all of you people when Richards/Edwards from BITW first came out and I was the only person on the thread talking about how shit it was?!?!?!?! seriously, I was saying all the same stuff about how everything in that match was done for NO FUCKING REASON and I was all alone.

I mean, better late then never people, but anyone who hates Richards vs. elgin has to hate Edwards/Richards from BITW even more for the exact same reasons.