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post #1881 of 2789 (permalink) Old 11-10-2012, 01:48 PM
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Re: The 2012 MOTYC thread

Does no one else have a problem with the Ray vs. Aries finish? I thought it was really dumb.

EDIT: Scratch that. I don't mean the finish: I mean, the Joseph Park stuff.

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Re: The 2012 MOTYC thread

I didn't have a problem with the Park stuff, but that's because I never viewed it as a great match. It's a very generic match - little guy gets the shine, then gets beaten up and brutalized, makes his big comeback and is triumphant. Both guys were good at their roles, with Aries taking some savage bumps (like the one to the floor), but it was nothing special either time I saw it.
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All Joe Park did was yell at the ref that Bully has the chain. Didn't do much to hurt the match.

Fail to see how it's generic. Probably because it didn't have enough MOVEZ in it. Only fantastic storytelling.

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All Joe Park did was yell at the ref that Bully has the chain. Didn't do much to hurt the match.

Fail to see how it's generic. Probably because it didn't have enough MOVEZ in it. Only fantastic storytelling.
I agree that the storytelling was really good, and I liked it a lot.

But the Joe Park stuff ruined it for me. It wasn't that he yelled at the ref, it was that Ray went out to an argued with him, completely giving up his control in the match.

To me, the great storytelling was just completely taken off track. It was just utterly unnecessary. Part of the problem, I'll admit, is that any time Joseph Park shows us and we are supposed to believe he is a different guy from Abyss is just so, so stupid that bringing the angle into the match just enrages me all by itself.

My point is just that it almost came off as if Aries needed help to start his comeback, which I thought was just kinda lame.
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If anything it showed the cockiness of Bully. Thinking he had Aries beat up enough that he could go and mess with Park w/o any chance of a comeback. Then he went back on the assault only to lose his momentum, thus eventually, the match altogether. Worked for me. Continued telling a story instead of it being random nonsense that took away from the bout.

And it got to continue the other program for Bully in the future too. That actually was a nice touch by TNA. Something about that match transcended the image of crap that TNA has been associated with for years. I really, really loved that match. One of the best in the history of the company.

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I guess I'm just too picky, then. When I'm really digging a match, I don't want outside distractions. We already knew Bully was cocky, and I guess the extra stuff just took me out. The other problem if that was the point where he had already said 'youre crazy' at Aries, meaning he wasn't really taking him lightly anymore.

It's reminiscent, I guess, or richards vs. Tyler Black years back when Hagadorn coming in ruined it for me, but others loved it. I'm really glad it worked for other people, but for me, it was just TNA not leaving a good enough match alone, and their disgusting need to force outside storylines into feuds rearing its head again. As soon as bully left to mess with Park, I stopped caring. For me, the momentum of the story in the match was lost after that.
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That does seem like nit-picking, but that's all your call. No judgment here.

We know where I place the match at. Top level stuff.

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it was that Ray went out to an argued with him, completely giving up his control in the match.
That's what Ray did almost every time during his heel run. It's character work 101.
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Bully Ray always being a BULLY thinking his upper hand can't fault. Love that man and his ability to tell a story.

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I mean, I'm not saying it doesn't work as a character, and when most of his matches are meaningless 8 minutes brawls, who cares if he gives up control?

Its only when a match has really built up a cool story that taking a time out to go argue with the guy TNA wants us to pretend isn't Abyss that it really bothers me. They were kinda playing up that Bully was becoming legitimately scared of Aries after he kept getting up from the strikes. If I am to believe that Bully really thinks Aries is crazy and he is worried about him, I can't see him going to the outside just because Park is yelling about the chain. It seems more likely to me that Bully would say 'F*ck Joe Park' and just do what he wanted to do, especially if they wanted to build up that Bully was becoming legitimately scared of Aries' toughness.

I guess it just seems so unnecessary to take a little timeout from the match for some empty storyline advancement with a separate feud.
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