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post #1641 of 2788 (permalink) Old 09-08-2012, 06:04 PM
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Re: The 2012 MOTYC thread

Super excited to see that ladder match now.

This is my MOTYC list currently. Everything **** or over...

Kazuchika Okada vs Tetsuya Naito (NJPW 04/03) ****1/2
Kazuchika Okada vs Hiroshi Tanahashi (NJPW Dominion) ****1/2
CM Punk vs Daniel Bryan (WWE Over The Limit) ****1/2
Suwama vs Yuji Nagata (AJPW 05/05) ****1/4
Daisuke Sekimoto vs Suwama (AJPW 02/01) ****1/4
Davey Richards vs Michael Elgin (ROH SITS Night Two) ****1/4
Bobby Roode vs Austin Aries (TNA Destination X) ****1/4
Daniel Bryan vs Sheamus (WWE Extreme Rules) ****1/4
Hirooki Goto & Tetsuya Naito vs Masato Tanaka & Shinsuke Nakamura (NJPW Dominion) ****1/4
Kazuchika Okada vs Hirooki Goto (NJPW Dontaku) ****1/4
Katsuhiko Nakajima vs SHINGO (D-Ring 11/02) ****1/4
Hiroshi Tanahashi vs Minoru Suzuki (NJPW Wrestle Kingdom VI) ****1/4
Daisuke Sekimoto vs Yoshihito Sasaki (BJW 26/03) ****1/4
Adam Cole vs Kyle O'Reilly (ROH Best In The World) ****1/4
CM Punk vs Chris Jericho (WWE Extreme Rules) ****1/4
Prince Devitt vs Pac (NJPW 06/06) ****1/4
Suwama vs Seiya Sanada (AJPW 04/03) ****1/4
El Generico vs Ricochet (PWG Death To All But Metal) ****1/4
Go Shiozaki vs Takeshi Morishima (NOAH 22/01) ****1/4
Jun Akiyama vs Keiji Mutoh (AJPW 20/03) ****
Jushin Thunder Liger & Tiger Mask vs Taichi & TAKA Michinoku (NJPW Dominion) ****
Horishi Tanahashi vs Togi Makabe (NJPW/AJPW 01/07) ****
CM Punk vs Chris Jericho (WWE Wrestlemania 28) ****
Austin Aries vs Samoa Joe (TNA Slammiversary) ****
The Young Bucks vs The Super Smash Brothers (PWG Death To All But Metal) ****
Yoshihito Sasaki & Yuji Okabayashi vs Daisuke Sekimoto & Big Van Walter (BJW 28/4) ****
Daisuke Sekimoto & Yuji Okabayashi vs Suwama & Takumi Soya (AJPW 20/03) ****
Daisuke Sekimoto & Yoshihito Sasaki vs Akebono & Ryuto Hama (BJW 02/01) ****
Lowki vs Prince Devitt (NJPW Dontaku) ****
CM Punk vs Mark Henry (WWE RAW 16/04) ****
NRC vs Apollo 55 (NJPW The New Beginning) ****
Daisuke Sekimoto & Yuji Okabayashi vs Akebono & Ryuto Hama (AJPW 03/01) ****
Daniel Bryan vs CM Punk (WWE Smackdown 21/02) ****
Daniel Bryan vs CM Punk (WWE RAW 30/01) ****
HHH vs Brock Lesnar (WWE Summerslam) ****
Chris Hero vs Michael Elgin (ROH Homecoming) ****
Daisuke Sekimoto vs Yuji Okabayashi (BJW 26/02) ****
Minoru Suzuki vs Togi Makabe (NJPW Dominion) ****
Yuji Nagata & Wataru Inoue vs Masayuki Kono & Minoru (AJPW 03/02) ****

Plan on re-watching a lot of the higher stuff, so some might be lower on rewatches. I'm thinking something like Aries/Roode will drop in rating once I see it again with knowing the result and all.

Also, @ JoeRulz, Thanks lol. Tony's staying for the foreseeable future .

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Sweet jesus on that Threemendous Ladder Match. I obviously haven't seen every one ever, but I'm sure that has to be one of the top three ladder matches to ever happen on this planet. I don't do the whole star rating thang. But I will give that match 17 rhombuses.

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From now on I'm taking no notice of any MOTYC Lists missing Dean Allmark. (Unless you're Bubz because you reminded me on I keep forgetting to list Suwama/Nagata).
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Right, Dean Allmark then...I'll try and get on the matches from your list.

btw, anyone got a link for the Threemendous III ladder match? Figured there would be one in the media section but there's only links for the full show and they've all been taken down now.

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Originally Posted by Seabs View Post
From now on I'm taking no notice of any MOTYC Lists missing Dean Allmark. (Unless you're Bubz because you reminded me on I keep forgetting to list Suwama/Nagata).
And I refuse to look at your list without more Memphis/Lawler goodness, dammit!

You n00bz also need to start watching some lucha. <3

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Watched that match before Rah. One of the most purely fun and entertaining matches of the year, and each King vs Lawler interactions were outstanding. Precious was also superb working the comedy spots and getting the crowd riled up whenever he was in the ring, but I'd stop short of calling it a MOTYC. Its definitely something that should be watched by everyone, since its got comedy, some superb punches and bumping and a very good screwjob finish, but I don't think its got enough meat to it to properly call it a MOTYC. There's a followup Precious vs Brian Christopher Cage Match however which looks really fucking good.

You seen the King/Tucker 5/25 LMS match btw? I'd call that the best Memphis indy bout I've seen this year, tremendously worked with both guys plastering one another with stiff as hell punches and just using anything to hurt the other (e.g King using a boot and a lady's walking stick). Better than any WWE LMS match since probably Orton/HHH No Mercy, what with them focusing on establishing hatred rather than relying on an assortment of weapons and cute spots. Finish is also tremendous.

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At this point I've pretty much decided Lucha isn't my thing for a while, until I try it again at some point in the future. Tried to watch one of the Negro Casas matches that got pimped earlier this year but just didn't find much in it that I enjoyed. Something about the style I just can't seem to get in to.

Managaed to get a hold of Threemendous III...

Kevin Steen vs Willie Mack - PWG World Championship
Yeah, this was great. Steen just owning Mack constantly with Mack trying to make comebacks but getting cut off. What's not to like there? Steen just goes after Mack any way he can really, and those whips to the turnbuckle were just nasty. Steen is just great in this. I really liked the Brian Cage run-in a lot, it got him over HUGE and also produced an amazing nearfall. The package piledriver was an even better nearfall and when Mack hit the moonsault I thought there was a new champ. Great match and I loved the finish too. ****

SSB vs Young Bucks vs Future Shock - PWG Tag Team Championships Ladder Match
Seabs basically said everything I would about this. CHAOS! Loved this so much, balls awesome but not just in a spotty way. No stupid ladder climbing, just an all out war with everyone apart from O'Reilly looking great. O'Reilly dropkicking the ladder into Uno and the fans from the apron was ridiculous though! INSANE dive from Nick Jackson off the ropes after he got pushed off the ladder! Shit that was nutty as fuck. There was other crazy spots but yeah, it wasn't overkill and I loved the all out brawling at the start before the ladders got involved. Really innovative stuff in this too. The Knox stuff made me flip my fucking lid like nothing else this year. Brilliant. Not quite as good as the Steen/Generico ladder match from last year, but still as awesome as a stripper with a machine gun. ****1/2
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I maintain anyone who loves Jerry Lawler and Memphis brawls would adore the best Lucha brawls, since they're really an extension of that style only replaced with a 2/3 falls format. Sangre Chicana vs MS-1 for example is up there with the best Lawler brawl, and anyone who knows my feelings on Jerry Lawler should recognise that as no small praise.

The co-operation in the matwork can prove distracting for some, which is understandable. But to me again, I'd really struggle to see how Atlantis/Panther 1991, El Dandy vs Negro Casas 1992 and El Dandy vs Javier Llanes which are all matwork based wouldn't appeal to a lot of people on here who dig good matwork.

Damiancito El Guerrero vs Cicloncito Ramirez 1997 is also pretty much a Lucha/Juniors hybrid match worked at a ridiculous pace. Again anyone who digs peak New Japan/Michinoku Pro when it comes to junior matches would really love that match IMO, the pace is so frantic they don't fall into cutely swapping holds with little struggle (something that seems to be a frequent criticism of Lucha matwork) and there's some incredible spots which are built to and sold as difference makers. Its got all the things people adore in Junior matches, but the 2/3 falls format and Lucha style means they avoid some of the pitfalls that plague the junior style, e.g questionable selling, moving from matwork to rope running etc.

This isn't me trying to force anyone to watch Lucha btw, since I can understand why some matches really don't paint the style in a watchable way to a new watcher. I do believe however that those matches I listed really should do a better job at highlighting the best Lucha has to offer, rather than other matches which have some good moments but also have some of the problems that new watchers of Lucha struggle to overcome.
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Random Rewatch:
Davey Richards vs Michael Elgin - ROH Showdown in the Sun Day 2

I really don't know why I was so high on this when I first watched this. It was probably the spots that lured me in on my first time but on a second watch I can really see how terrible this match was. There are admittedly some awesome looking spots like the top rope tiger suplex and the fisherman's buster to the floor but there really is nothing behind them and both guys brush themselves off and no-sell their way to next less-impressive spot.

Davey's flaws really can be seen here. Elgin is meant to be a fucking machine and he should be dominating Davey for a good portion of the start and middle of the match but he just keeps fucking reversing everything and it makes Elgin look like any other ROH midget. It's okay to reverse the odd move and hint at a comeback when you are doing a big man vs little man match but Davey really took the piss and killed any sense of structure that Elgin was building.

Don't get me wrong, Elgin wasn't exactly a star here and he's certainly no Mark Henry when it comes to establishing himself as a force to be reckoned with. While Davey's levels of no-selling Elgin's suplexes did really annoy me, Elgin kept resorting to that 'Fighting Sprint' comeback way too many times and it was almost comical. One of the best parts of the match was due to Elgin trying to do his little comeback but collapses due to the punishment his ankle has taken. It's the first sign of selling in this match and it was awesome... until Elgin decides to resort back to no-selling once again.

I'm going on way too much. It's funny how I sometimes struggle to come up with 4-5 lines why I love a match but when tearing this match a new asshole, it all comes naturally. In a nutshell, Richards/Elgin is unstructured mess of a match which spots I would enjoy on their own, but it's really not worth the effort to sit through this sorry excuse of a match.

Rating: ★
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not a fan of elgin vs richards either.

just didn't find it convincing at all. there is actual art to no selling (so in a literal sense, you are still selling), which i didn't think the match did a good job of portraying. it had its moments like when elign would spit and make it seem like he was too mad to get hurt, but often times it was over done or just too wacky considering the moves that had just been done for there to be any real drama.

Young Bucks vs Super Smash Bros - Death to all but metal

Surprisingly, I had fun watching this match. The first 10 mins I was pretty much cringing at how corny the match started out. But eventually a lot of good light hearted wrestling starts leaking out. I enjoy the Chikara-esq comedy side more of PWG more. A lot of spots that were athletically impressive as well as well thought out, like a punchline. The commentary added to the match as well, giving it a very casual vibe. Still think the Young Bucks have terrible body language, and there was practically no heat to the match at all. But all and all, I enjoyed the majority of it, and really thought the ref spots were great. Best PWG match I've seen.

Young Bucks vs Super Smash Bros vs Future Shock - Threemendous III

Kind of the same as before, but more crazy spots. Like someone else mentioned, PWG has terrible camera work. The spots were more wild than the previous match I talked about, but I don't think they were as well thought out "plot" wise. I rate this a little bit below the Death to All But Metal tag match. The false finish was very convincing, but I thought the ref spot was better in the previous one in the case of less being more.

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