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Old 09-07-2012, 09:03 AM   #1631 (permalink)
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There are points in the Border Wars Steen/Davey match that will probably annoy you greatly...
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SSB vs. The Bucks vs. Futureshock I can not rate, in a similar fashion to Cena/Lesnar. It's so different, so fresh and so whacky and outlandish that putting a rating on it wouldn't be doing the match justice, whether I slap a ** or a ***** on it. Whatever rating a put on a match like this is going to be wrong regardless, simply because there are a hell of a lot of flaws in the match that I would usually nitpick in other matches, but just because of how the match went and what the match was like, those flaws mean fuck all in the grand scheme of things, despite them being clearly visible. A definite MOTYC in my opinion, but if you were to say it was one of the worst matches of the year, I wouldn't blame you. Much like Cena/Brock, it's a very difficult match to watch, analyse and rate.

But it is still my PWG MOTY so far. I need to catch up on some Puro because I've been extremely lazy with that, but I wouldn't be surprised if on a rewatch at the end of the year, the triple threat ladder match does end up being my personal favourite MOTY.
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I heard the Best in the World match was pretty clustered. Should I go out of my way to see it? I can't find either Steen/Davey match, but I'll admit I'm not trying real hard too, either.They both just sounded really skippable.

I'll be watching Elgin/Davey tomorrow. We'll see what happens. I do like Davey more than most...but not much more. Can't say I'm too optimistic.

O yeah, loved Okada Naito. I don't see it being topped this year.
I enjoyed the BITW match but it was by no means a great match. More so to do with how much it reminded me of an old school ECW brawl. It's really clustered yeah, but some of the shit that happens legit made me laugh out loud. Not sure it was supposed to be funny or not (apart from Corino's commentary) but everyone from Cornette to Sinclair to Bobby Cruise to Corino and even O'Reilly before the match get's invovled. It's just ridiculous tbh but I found it highly entertaining. Again, not really a good match as much as it was a huge angle.

But yeah, you won't miss much if you skip them as far as quality wrestling goes.
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Old 09-07-2012, 02:15 PM   #1634 (permalink)
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They're both skippable. I'd be surprised if you really enjoy either. I enjoyed the BITW match but that was an anomaly. Davey/Elgin is very good for that style. Don't go into it expecting too much and accept it for what it is and you should enjoy it, if not love it.
Wow....you were totally right. And you too, Bubz. I totally love this match.

I think the fast start suits Davey's idea that due to the night before, he needed to strike fast. I like how Davey at least almost sorta sold his back through the whole match. I LOVE Elgin's leg selling near the end, and that his collapse was immediately pounced upon. I like most of the spots, which I thought were intense and believable. Favorite part of the match is easily Elgin kicking out at one and spitting on Davey. One unique thing I really enjoyed is that both Davey and Elgin had a MAJOR comeback series, and I thought both were timed really well.

I actually LOVE the ankle lock after the Dragon suplex off the top, and I will tell you why: there was a cover in between. Davey did indeed try to just get the pin after that move: its not like he just followed it up wit ha submission for no reason. Elgin kicked out, and when he did, Davey had the momentum for the ankle lock. It reminded me of that old spot Joe always did where he would hit a sick high angle powerbomb, let them kick out and then use the momentum from the kickout to roll through and lock in an STF.

The errors are clear. Sugunda's point about the Dragon Suplex being WAY too early is 100% true. That said, I didn't really think many of the following spots had anything taken away from them by that spot. To me, that was the completion of Davey's comeback, and set through to the second segment of the match with Davey in control. Some of Davey's strikes were a little glancing, and I can see the argument questioning when Davey should and shouldnt be able to lift Elgin. The finish is downright deflating. If davey hits a DR driver for the win, this is probably ****3/4, as is, it is probably ****1/2 (rewatch pending) I wil say among the 4 or so matches I have at ****1/2, I think this is my favorite one. I just genuinely enjoyed this.
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Damn, Bubz, you sound so fucking serious and legit with Tony MOTHERFUCKING Soprano in your avatar. Don't change it.
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Wow....you were totally right. And you too, Bubz. I totally love this match.

I think the fast start suits Davey's idea that due to the night before, he needed to strike fast. I like how Davey at least almost sorta sold his back through the whole match. I LOVE Elgin's leg selling near the end, and that his collapse was immediately pounced upon. I like most of the spots, which I thought were intense and believable. Favorite part of the match is easily Elgin kicking out at one and spitting on Davey. One unique thing I really enjoyed is that both Davey and Elgin had a MAJOR comeback series, and I thought both were timed really well.

I actually LOVE the ankle lock after the Dragon suplex off the top, and I will tell you why: there was a cover in between. Davey did indeed try to just get the pin after that move: its not like he just followed it up wit ha submission for no reason. Elgin kicked out, and when he did, Davey had the momentum for the ankle lock. It reminded me of that old spot Joe always did where he would hit a sick high angle powerbomb, let them kick out and then use the momentum from the kickout to roll through and lock in an STF.

The errors are clear. Sugunda's point about the Dragon Suplex being WAY too early is 100% true. That said, I didn't really think many of the following spots had anything taken away from them by that spot. To me, that was the completion of Davey's comeback, and set through to the second segment of the match with Davey in control. Some of Davey's strikes were a little glancing, and I can see the argument questioning when Davey should and shouldnt be able to lift Elgin. The finish is downright deflating. If davey hits a DR driver for the win, this is probably ****3/4, as is, it is probably ****1/2 (rewatch pending) I wil say among the 4 or so matches I have at ****1/2, I think this is my favorite one. I just genuinely enjoyed this.
Where does it rank compared to your other high end MOTYC's?
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Where does it rank compared to your other high end MOTYC's?
Its hard this year, mostly because its harder to download all the matches I want, so the list has a lot of things I viewed online instead of just a file I can open and sort. I might be missing something obvious, here.

Also consider the fact that nearly all of these need to be rewatched:

1. Okada vs. Naito ****3/4
2. Richards vs. Elgin ****1/2
3. Okada vs. Tanahashi (Dominion) ****1/2
4. Lesnar vs. Cena ****1/2
5. Jimmyz vs. Mad Blankey Infinity 252 ****1/2 (oooo, controversial!)
6. CM Punk vs. Daniel Bryan OTL ****1/2
7. SSB vs. Bucks vs. Future Shock ****1/2

That is everything I have at 4 1/2 or higher, which is really exciting. The last time I really followed MOTYCs in 2010, I think there was one match I considered that good the whole year. I consider this year a major renaissance, especially since its not just one guy making MOTYCs, its a large pack of very good performers.

Shinsuke/Tanaka vs. Naito/Goto was up there, but it REALLY fell off on the rewatch. I hated the finish to Bryan/Seamus, and didn't dig either Aries/Roode match very much, especially the second. Way too much stuff happened in both those matches for no reason at all. Also really, really hated the first Okada/Tanahashi match this year.
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  1. Kazuchika Okada vs Tetsuya Naito - IWGP Heavyweight Championship - NJPW 04.03.2012
  2. Yuji Hino vs Kota Ibushi - KO-D Openweight Championship - DDT 24.06.2012
  3. Super Smash Brothers vs Young Bucks - No DQ - PWG Death To All But Metal
  4. Hiroshi Tanahashi vs Kazuchika Okada - IWGP Heavyweight Championship - NJPW 16.06.2012
  5. Kenny Omega vs Hiroshi Yamato - AJPW World Jr. Heavyweight Championship - AJPW 03.01.2012
  6. Suwama vs Daisuke Sekimoto - AJPW 02.01.2012
  7. Big Van Walter, Daisuke Sekimoto, 2-Face & Kim Ray vs Axeman, Yoshihito Sasaki, Karsten Beck & Robert Dreissker - 8 Man Elimination Tag - wXw 16 Carat Gold Tournament 2012 Day 3
  8. Sami Callihan vs El Generico - EVOLVE 13
  9. Hirooki Goto vs Tomohiro Ishii - NJPW 20.05.2012
  10. Daisuke Sekimoto, Yuji Okabayashi & Kazuki Hashimoto vs Akebono, Ryuto Hama & Yasufumi Nakanoue - BJW 02.02.2012
  11. Hiroshi Tanahashi vs Minoru Suzuki - IWGP Heavyweight Championship - NJPW Wrestle Kingdom VI
  12. Yuji Nagata & Wataru Inoue vs Masayuki Kono & Minoru - AJPW 03.02.2012
  13. Prince Devitt vs PAC - NJPW 06.06.2012
  14. Yoshihito Sasaki vs Daisuke Sekimoto - BJW 26.03.2012
  15. John Cena vs Brock Lesnar - Extreme Rules Match - Extreme Rules 2012
  16. CM Punk vs Daniel Bryan - WWE Championship - Over The Limit 2012
  17. Jushin Liger & Tiger Mask IV vs TAKA Michinoku & Taichi - IWGP Jr. Heavyweight Championships - NJPW 16.06.2012
  18. Big Van Walter vs Daisuke Sekimoto - wXw 16 Carat Gold Tournament 2012 Day 2
  19. Daniel Bryan vs Sheamus - 2/3 Falls - World Heavyweight Championship - Extreme Rules 2012
  20. William Regal vs Dean Ambrose - FCW 15.07.2012
  21. Luke Gallows vs Charlie Dreamer - OSF 07.04.2012
  22. Jerry Lawler, Derrick King & Frankie Tucker vs Pokerface & LA Hustlers - MCW 03.03.2012
  23. Max Angelus vs Nick Riley vs Robbie X - SWE 4everevolution
  24. Finlay vs Johnny Kidd - wXw 16 Carat Gold Tournament 2012 Day 3
  25. Dean Allmark vs Nathan Cruz - ASW:UK 24.03.2012
  26. Bobby Roode vs AJ Styles - TNA World Championship - TNA iMPACT 24.05.2012
  27. Shinjiro Otani & Daichi Hashimoto vs Takeshi Morishima & Katsuhiko Nakajima - NOAH 29.04.2012
  28. Davey Richards vs Michael Elgin - ROH World Championship - ROH Showdown In The Sun Night 2
  29. El Generico vs Ricochet - PWG Death To All But Metal
  30. Kevin Steen vs Brian Cage-Taylor - PWG Death To All But Metal
  31. Shinsuke Nakamura & Toru Yano vs Go Shiozaki & Naomichi Marufuji - NJPW Wrestle Kingdom VI
  32. AJ Styles & Kurt Angle vs Daniels & Kazarian - TNA Slammiversary X
  33. Finlay vs Martin Kirby - SWE 4everevolution
  34. Damien Wayne vs Chris Escobar - VCW 02.06.2012
  35. Dean Allmark & James Mason vs Rampage Brown & Robbie Dynamite - ASW:UK 17.03.2012
  36. Ricky Marvin vs Tommy End - wXw 16 Carat Gold Tournament 2012 Day 2
  37. Daisuke Sekimoto vs Yuji Okabayashi - BJW 26.02.2012
  38. Hiroshi Tanahashi vs Kazuchika Okada - NJPW 12.02.2012
  39. Austin Aries vs Alex Shelley - TNA Against All Odds 2012
That's my current list in order.
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I don’t know what I just watched besides my new MOTY. HOLY BALLS!!!
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Kevin Steen vs Willie Mack - PWG World Championship - PWG Threemendous 3
Thought this was largely a great run of the Kevin Steen show. Mack's fine but he doesn't really offer much to the match. Steen starting off hot after their last match was great I thought. Absolutely kills Mack from the go and sets the tone for the match perfectly right away with Steen as the dominant champ and Mack as the big underdog working from behind. Thought Steen got the level between intensity and "Steen-ness" bang on. Cage run in at first I thought sucked but then he killed Mack as well and I went from being deflated to the run to it actually enhancing my enjoyment. Cage just comes in to fuck shit up, get his shit in and get himself over at their expense. Knox takes an amazing ref bump prior to it. I absolutely adored Knox rushing to the back straight after the 3 count holding the back of his neck. Psycho Driver finish was cool. Steen's finishes weren't enough to put Mack away so he stepped up to another level of insanity to finish him off. Nice callback not only to their brief run but also on an anniversary show to a PWG pioneer.

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Super Smash Brothers vs Young Bucks vs Future Shock - Ladder Match - PWG World Tag Team Championships - PWG Threemendous 3
Yeah this ruled. For anyone who reads this and reads "6 Indy guys in a ladder match on an Indy show", don't go into with that thought process. This isn't your multi man ladder match that's just built around spots to get cheap pops. Obviously it is filled with big spots to get big pops but they get the complimentary stuff to the spots in as well which polishes it up really nicely. Bucks are back to being fabulous again. I was getting annoyed with them for a brief spell where they were just fucking around spoofing legends too much but with the SSB feud they're back to the more serious side with awesome heel shtick. They would have ruled the 80's as either heels or babyfaces. Thought you probably could have took Cole and O'Reilly out of this and the match wouldn't have changed much. Cole was good in it but they were just extras to the SSB/Bucks war. O'Reilly I thought kinda sucked in it actually but he was in passing enough to not really notice. Loved the spot where Cole gets stuck in the ladder in the corner to eliminate him from the match. Could have looked really goofy but Cole made it look like a super struggle to get free. Brawling on the outside to kick off was awesome and set the tone perfectly for WILD CHAOS. Nick being pushed off the ladder only to jump into a springboard senton to the outside had me flipping out all over the place. Supafly getting super kicked in mid air by Matt on the ladder was incredible too. Loads of awesome spots, far too many to name. I liked how they never went overboard though with the spots. Match is pretty short for a 6 person ladder match but in a good way. Match never dragged. If there was a big spot then there were always 2 other guys to pick up the pieces and do something crazy themselves. Nick Jackson is an absolute lunatic in the best way possible. There wasn't any tedious slow ladder climbing and taking ages to set a spot up when you could be climbing the ladder. Knox sub story was awesome and delivered the most satisfying ending possible. Finished at it's peak. Wonderful. Knox fucking blading to get the angle over touched me in a special place. The Knox/Bucks feud has been really subtly built for so long now that anytime Knox flips on them it feels warranted and not a parody like the start of the show with Joey was. THAT dive made me shoot a bird with a rifle from my window. The rifle wasn't even mine.

Probably just ahead of the Bucks/SSB No DQ match and Ibushi/Hino on my list. Think I'd give Naito/Okada the edge still as #1 but I'd really have to rewatch all 4 come the end of the year to decide unless something pops up that eclipses all of them.


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